Originally Posted by Qotsaautopilot

So delta should take paycuts because they are the top of the industry just as long as they stay on top? That's what your saying.

This LOA is a staffing reduction in perpetuity. It's not just a concession one time. It's the concession that keeps on giving while we grow. How this is not understood by the entire MEC and negotiating committee blows my mind. Let the company do whatever the want within the constraints of out current contract if we vote it down. I'm not voluntarily going to hand over a concession. Never! Ever! If they want it they are going to have to take it.

Originally Posted by WelcomeToBen

I don't understand this reasoning. Make the gains where you can. Are you seriously suggesting that we make up for the deficiencies in our contract with a distance learning agreement?



Lock in the distance learning agreement now, handle the pay rates during contract negotiations.

Originally Posted by The Juice

Im sorry Jason, but the irony of your signature on here....



"Evil is perpetrated in the secrecy of darkness while good is done in the open."



So lets talk about the MEC, which you are a voting member of, and the total lack of communication from them as we stand months away from Amendable date, currently now inside 6 months.



I reached out to my rep, was emailed back and said to expect a call, nothing sense. It is not up to each member to call their rep personally when the entire pilot group needs, deserves, and wants this information. 1 lousy survey month ago, and thats it.



Im sorry but perhaps you should be more concerned about the lack of "good being done in the open" with MEC communication, instead of that on this forum board.

Originally Posted by Quint

Unstacking is a sorta-downside of PBS. I'll try, in a nutshell:

Since you are building your own lines out of the trips in the pot, everyone is going to request Christmas (or any big holiday/event off). PBS will comply. Problem is you're going to end up with a ton of open trips over said holiday. More than the reserves can cover. So PBS will, in reverse seniority order, "unstack" enough of those open trips and rework the junior lineholders schedules until the open time over those holidays are manageable. Thereby having those guys work over the holiday when they otherwise could have held it off.

Sounds really bad, but if you think about it, under line bidding, the company would've built the lines to not have that many open trips over said holiday to begin with, so it's really a wash.

Originally Posted by The Juice

I really hope we are doing more than just hoping we get more schedulers, because we won't if we don't do something.

While you are on hold for that time you(we) should be filling out an NCC. Contract allows us to check in via contacting scheduling in lieu of computer checkin. Holds of this length don't allow us to check in and an NCC needs to be filled out.

An ASAP should he filled out too. And before some say "you can't ASAP hold time," you can. Per the FAA AC on ASAP:

"Reports that identify a general safety concern, but do not appear to involve a violation of the regulations"

Needing to reach a scheduled to discuss 117 duty times and not being able to. I would be curious to see the FAA rep's view on the ERC if 50 of these come in.

Take the time to fill it out and we may see results. If nothing is done on our end, it will never change

Originally Posted by flyingpuma1

I put this on the thread but I'll put it here too, oh and a NO from me.

Contract (what we have now)


• Home training - 1 day per month
• Home training - up to 12 days a year
• Home training - maximum 8 hours per day
• Home training - cannot replace ground school
• Home training - 4 hours pay
• 3 days of ground school is Duty (as per the FAA) and potentially count toward FDP
• Accrues per diem ($158.40 for 3 days)
• Conflict possibilities

Where Bendo has expressed he wants to be (LOA NOT CONSIDERED HERE)

-Home training - not going to change and does not affect us
-second still does not change
-home training - does not change if not recurrent
-home training - not going to be used for ground school
-home training - ....its not going to be used for recurrent, that's different
-3 days of ground school at your domicile is still duty
-you will accrue zero per diem if you are at your domicile airport
-fewer conflict possibilities due to lack of deadheads


LOA

• recurrent distance learning - 2 days per month of your choosing
• recurrent Distance learning - up to 2 days per year
• recurrent Distance learning - 9 hours per day in the time and duration and location of your choosing
• recurrent Distance learning - replaces ground school in your domicile (2 days)
• recurrent Distance learning - 5 hours pay per day above guarantee (cyrrent line value)
• The 2 days distance learning would not count toward FDP
• No per diem accrual for distance learning either way
• Less conflict possibility

Originally Posted by ManFlex

I've spoken to some new guys that say (paraphrasing) 'I just want to sit on my couch at home and do training on the IPad' thus the yes vote. I'm a no vote, pre 2012 hire.

Many of the old timers here are battle axes. I wouldn't paint them all with such a broad brush. Based on some of the stuff some newer guys say praising PBS, this group may be more divided than many people think. Forums aren't a good representation of the pilot group.

Originally Posted by falcon2000aj

So based on what I'm reading above, it looks like the company can only force one day a month of DL on us for 8 hours... Why is everyone scared that they're going to force two days on us even if the LOA doesn't pass? Clearly, they can't..

Also, the LOA states 10 hours above guarantee.. So if I have an 82 hour line, is it 10 hours above the 82...?? Or 10 hours above 72, which makes 82 after the 10 hours and now I just did DL for free??

Still, a no vote!!

Originally Posted by BE02Driverz

72 IS guarantee, so you will indeed be "donating" some of your time for the TEAM. It won't be a gray area.