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Old 11-07-2016 | 07:31 AM
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Originally Posted by poolboy
Don't forget profit sharing, 401k contribution, and better sick and vacation leave.
Also real disability insurance and travel benefits. Oh and self respect... I've had less and less of that since the company proposal a year ago. Don't worry team JS, rest assured I'm looking elsewhere.
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Old 11-07-2016 | 09:17 AM
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Originally Posted by Gunga Din
Dude... you are so freaking right.

Guys on this new hire thread probably have their head spinning about what's the story with this place. Is it the next southwest or is it mesa with airbus?

Truth is it's probably both.

Training guys do their best but it's 100% true the program is the MINIMUM required. It's the bare bones. The reason it works (and the reason this airline continues to exist) is pilots ability adapt.

Some of you guys can't get a response to an application? Ha! We can't get a call or half a dozen emails returned from our own payroll or benifits. No one in HQ has a clue and no one returns calls here.

This place is run on a shoestring. Once you're on line its not totally obvious. But at the training building with its boxes in the hallways, stepping over flight attendants practicing drills and a ridiculous vending machine lunch for a 10 hour day, its demoralizing. We can't even manage a free cup of coffee for professional pilots for Christ sakes.
And don't expect that to change anytime soon. The official stance from the union is they won't spend any negotiating capital on new hires. They figure (maybe rightly so) that the company will have to address this issue on their own so why should the union spend energy on it.
But there are a lot of positives here too. There is no denying we are growing. Not just retirement attrition but growing. 94 planes to 155 and we are looking for another order.
But probably the best silver lining about this place is the acknowledgment by management and the union that a serious pay increase is needed. It may be years before it's hammered out and it may not be easy but the pay and retirement will be average for bus pilots.
This is the most accurate post that I think I've seen about us. Guys are great, trips are OK, company and our pay sucks. I'm 4 months plus waiting on a reply from HR and couldn't get payroll to reply until I got an ACP involved. It's a screwed up company but if you have any military experience or just don't want to commute than it's tolerable for a bit to see what kind of a contract we get.
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Old 11-07-2016 | 02:52 PM
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Originally Posted by 390SetBlue
Also real disability insurance and travel benefits. Oh and self respect... I've had less and less of that since the company proposal a year ago. Don't worry team JS, rest assured I'm looking elsewhere.
Your self-respect depends on your paycheck?
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Old 11-07-2016 | 04:33 PM
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Originally Posted by flyboyike
Your self-respect depends on your paycheck?
Self Worth certainly does. I know you've herd some JS's speeches at Job Fairs and to Interview groups. "You think you should be able to drive a Mercedes or a Kia? You want to be able to afford a Mercedes then you should go to United." - JS
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Old 11-07-2016 | 06:30 PM
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Originally Posted by FlyingOkra
Self Worth certainly does. I know you've herd some JS's speeches at Job Fairs and to Interview groups. "You think you should be able to drive a Mercedes or a Kia? You want to be able to afford a Mercedes then you should go to United." - JS
This wasn't the case in my new hire class. He actually said that a big pay raise will be coming soon. I didn't take it seriously, just sharing my experience.
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Old 11-07-2016 | 06:51 PM
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Originally Posted by AllOva736
This wasn't the case in my new hire class. He actually said that a big pay raise will be coming soon. I didn't take it seriously, just sharing my experience.
Guarantee his idea of a "big raise" is far different from the raise that is industry standard and what the union is going for.

Dont buy the lies of that man. Only a true sucker listens to his words and correlates it to being genuine.
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Old 11-08-2016 | 09:24 AM
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Originally Posted by FlyingOkra
Self Worth certainly does. I know you've herd some JS's speeches at Job Fairs and to Interview groups. "You think you should be able to drive a Mercedes or a Kia? You want to be able to afford a Mercedes then you should go to United." - JS
Tell him okay, but you want the Kia K900

Costs a lot more than the entry level Benz C-Class


2016 Kia K900 Luxury Sedan | Challenge The Luxury You Know

The V8 version starts at 61,900
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Old 11-08-2016 | 10:24 AM
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Originally Posted by AllOva736
This wasn't the case in my new hire class. He actually said that a big pay raise will be coming soon. I didn't take it seriously, just sharing my experience.
Right. Can you think of any reason he'd dangle that carrot? I can. He's a snake oil salesman. That's what he does.
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Old 11-08-2016 | 02:13 PM
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Originally Posted by AllOva736
This wasn't the case in my new hire class. He actually said that a big pay raise will be coming soon. I didn't take it seriously, just sharing my experience.
Did I miss something? I didn't realize the company finally played nice and gave us a contract. JS and JB have been saying that to classes for years. I think when I was first hired the words used were "I'd cut you a check right now, but you guys need to talk to the union. That's why you aren't getting anything."

If those two sold hopes, dreams, and bullshot...well, they would all be on backorder like our uniforms.
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Old 11-11-2016 | 05:55 AM
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Originally Posted by FlyingOkra
Self Worth certainly does. I know you've herd some JS's speeches at Job Fairs and to Interview groups. "You think you should be able to drive a Mercedes or a Kia? You want to be able to afford a Mercedes then you should go to United." - JS
I guess my definitions of self-respect and self-worth are somewhat different from yours.
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