Spirit of NKS, Part II
04-29-2016, 06:23 AM
#5661
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A strike authorization vote at the present time would be an empty threat. Before we vote to strike, we really need to present a credible threat.
Things are looking up, family awareness events are scheduled, etc, but we have a great deal of work to accomplish before we present a truly credible threat to carry out a successful strike.
And.....The union leaders have to decide to stop "playing nice" to the company. As of now, the NC and MEC are not even willing to picket the upcoming share holders meeting. Apparently, they still think that they can still get a deal from Bendo. Even after being suckered last summer, they are still unwilling to cross Bendo. Until the MEC* changes and decides to seek OUR favor vs the company, we will remain stagnant.
* The six elected Status Representatives, not the MEC Officer corps. From what we see so far from the new Chairman and Vice Chairman, those two are strong, but they work for the Reps - not the other way around
Things are looking up, family awareness events are scheduled, etc, but we have a great deal of work to accomplish before we present a truly credible threat to carry out a successful strike.
And.....The union leaders have to decide to stop "playing nice" to the company. As of now, the NC and MEC are not even willing to picket the upcoming share holders meeting. Apparently, they still think that they can still get a deal from Bendo. Even after being suckered last summer, they are still unwilling to cross Bendo. Until the MEC* changes and decides to seek OUR favor vs the company, we will remain stagnant.
* The six elected Status Representatives, not the MEC Officer corps. From what we see so far from the new Chairman and Vice Chairman, those two are strong, but they work for the Reps - not the other way around
04-29-2016, 06:27 AM
#5662
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Originally Posted by IAJETCAPT
What alpa merger do u speak of...that's correct they don't but they have to operate the groups separately and i personally think in doing so might be to expensive for a ulcc...basically they don't ever have to give us a contract...ever
04-29-2016, 06:55 AM
#5663
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Originally Posted by Shortie
Agreed! We all need to contact our respective reps and push for a strike authorization vote!!
04-29-2016, 07:08 AM
#5664
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Originally Posted by skybolt
A strike authorization vote at the present time would be an empty threat. Before we vote to strike, we really need to present a credible threat.
Things are looking up, family awareness events are scheduled, etc, but we have a great deal of work to accomplish before we present a truly credible threat to carry out a successful strike.
And.....The union leaders have to decide to stop "playing nice" to the company. As of now, the NC and MEC are not even willing to picket the upcoming share holders meeting. Apparently, they still think that they can still get a deal from Bendo. Even after being suckered last summer, they are still unwilling to cross Bendo. Until the MEC* changes and decides to seek OUR favor vs the company, we will remain stagnant.
* The six elected Status Representatives, not the MEC Officer corps. From what we see so far from the new Chairman and Vice Chairman, those two are strong, but they work for the Reps - not the other way around
Things are looking up, family awareness events are scheduled, etc, but we have a great deal of work to accomplish before we present a truly credible threat to carry out a successful strike.
And.....The union leaders have to decide to stop "playing nice" to the company. As of now, the NC and MEC are not even willing to picket the upcoming share holders meeting. Apparently, they still think that they can still get a deal from Bendo. Even after being suckered last summer, they are still unwilling to cross Bendo. Until the MEC* changes and decides to seek OUR favor vs the company, we will remain stagnant.
* The six elected Status Representatives, not the MEC Officer corps. From what we see so far from the new Chairman and Vice Chairman, those two are strong, but they work for the Reps - not the other way around
04-29-2016, 08:04 AM
#5665
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Posts: 168
Originally Posted by skybolt
A strike authorization vote at the present time would be an empty threat. Before we vote to strike, we really need to present a credible threat.
Things are looking up, family awareness events are scheduled, etc, but we have a great deal of work to accomplish before we present a truly credible threat to carry out a successful strike.
And.....The union leaders have to decide to stop "playing nice" to the company. As of now, the NC and MEC are not even willing to picket the upcoming share holders meeting. Apparently, they still think that they can still get a deal from Bendo. Even after being suckered last summer, they are still unwilling to cross Bendo. Until the MEC* changes and decides to seek OUR favor vs the company, we will remain stagnant.
* The six elected Status Representatives, not the MEC Officer corps. From what we see so far from the new Chairman and Vice Chairman, those two are strong, but they work for the Reps - not the other way around
Things are looking up, family awareness events are scheduled, etc, but we have a great deal of work to accomplish before we present a truly credible threat to carry out a successful strike.
And.....The union leaders have to decide to stop "playing nice" to the company. As of now, the NC and MEC are not even willing to picket the upcoming share holders meeting. Apparently, they still think that they can still get a deal from Bendo. Even after being suckered last summer, they are still unwilling to cross Bendo. Until the MEC* changes and decides to seek OUR favor vs the company, we will remain stagnant.
* The six elected Status Representatives, not the MEC Officer corps. From what we see so far from the new Chairman and Vice Chairman, those two are strong, but they work for the Reps - not the other way around
If you want to spew this crap to under-informed new FOs while you act as a de facto community agitator down in DFW by all means, but please everyone else, contact your status reps, make up your own mind and for god sake if you're not happy with their representation don't try and start your own LEC, recall them.
04-29-2016, 08:10 AM
#5666
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Spirit Pilots Reject CEO Placing Their Compensation in Lowest “Tier” of Industry
With industry-leading profits, Spirit pilots press for industry-standard compensation
MIRAMAR, FL—Today, Spirit pilots, as represented by the Air Line Pilots Association, Int’l (ALPA), responded to statements made by Spirit CEO Robert L. Fornaro on the April 26 quarterly earnings call. During the call that announced better than expected pretax margins of 21.3 percent, Fornaro was asked about ongoing pilot negotiations and the rapid rise of pilot compensation at other carriers. Fornaro responded that the industry is tiered, and Spirit is firmly in the lowest tier along with Frontier and Allegiant. He suggested that this lowest tier is Spirit’s “peer group.”
“Based on these statements, Mr. Fornaro seems to imply that Spirit pilot compensation must also remain in the lower tier and tied to carriers whose pay rates and working conditions were either diminished by bankruptcy or unilaterally set without bargaining,” said Capt. Stuart Morrison, chairman of the Spirit unit of ALPA. “Simply put, this is a bogus assertion. Spirit’s profit margin—a much more relevant metric than ticket pricing—puts the company well into the industry’s upper tier.”
Delta, American, United, Southwest, and JetBlue also fly most of the routes operated by Spirit pilots. In markets across the country, Spirit has aggressively and successfully competed against these airlines. Meanwhile, the pilots at these carriers currently enjoy profit sharing and vastly superior rates of pay and retirement benefits.
Fornaro continued in his response to assert that the primary benefit for Spirit pilots is “fast growth, our pilots become captains much earlier than their peers.” However, with pilot retirement at historic levels, the legacy carriers currently offer upgrade opportunities to the captain seat, and/or to higher paying aircraft, earlier than Spirit. Additionally, many Spirit captain rates are lower than legacy first officer rates.
“Spirit pilots are not prepared to embark on the fool’s errand of accepting substandard pay and retirement based on the unenforceable hypothesis that the Company may grow more quickly. Our ‘peers’ throughout the industry have uniformly and properly rejected agreements based on that theory,” continued Capt. Morrison. “Most importantly, the low-cost carrier model does not require ‘discount’ pilots to succeed. We are a vital part of Spirit’s success—and should be compensated accordingly. We will settle for nothing less.”
Read the full transcript of Fornaro’s statement on the April 26, quarterly earnings call.
Spirit pilots are currently in negotiations with management while working under a five-year agreement that is eight months past the amendable date.
Founded in 1931, ALPA is the largest airline pilot union in the world and represents over 52,000 pilots at 30 U.S. and Canadian airlines. Visit the ALPA website at ALPA - Advancing Aviation Safety and Security since 1931 or follow us on Twitter @WeAreALPA.
- See more at: https://www.alpa.org/news-and-events....5UCJj5fI.dpuf
With industry-leading profits, Spirit pilots press for industry-standard compensation
MIRAMAR, FL—Today, Spirit pilots, as represented by the Air Line Pilots Association, Int’l (ALPA), responded to statements made by Spirit CEO Robert L. Fornaro on the April 26 quarterly earnings call. During the call that announced better than expected pretax margins of 21.3 percent, Fornaro was asked about ongoing pilot negotiations and the rapid rise of pilot compensation at other carriers. Fornaro responded that the industry is tiered, and Spirit is firmly in the lowest tier along with Frontier and Allegiant. He suggested that this lowest tier is Spirit’s “peer group.”
“Based on these statements, Mr. Fornaro seems to imply that Spirit pilot compensation must also remain in the lower tier and tied to carriers whose pay rates and working conditions were either diminished by bankruptcy or unilaterally set without bargaining,” said Capt. Stuart Morrison, chairman of the Spirit unit of ALPA. “Simply put, this is a bogus assertion. Spirit’s profit margin—a much more relevant metric than ticket pricing—puts the company well into the industry’s upper tier.”
Delta, American, United, Southwest, and JetBlue also fly most of the routes operated by Spirit pilots. In markets across the country, Spirit has aggressively and successfully competed against these airlines. Meanwhile, the pilots at these carriers currently enjoy profit sharing and vastly superior rates of pay and retirement benefits.
Fornaro continued in his response to assert that the primary benefit for Spirit pilots is “fast growth, our pilots become captains much earlier than their peers.” However, with pilot retirement at historic levels, the legacy carriers currently offer upgrade opportunities to the captain seat, and/or to higher paying aircraft, earlier than Spirit. Additionally, many Spirit captain rates are lower than legacy first officer rates.
“Spirit pilots are not prepared to embark on the fool’s errand of accepting substandard pay and retirement based on the unenforceable hypothesis that the Company may grow more quickly. Our ‘peers’ throughout the industry have uniformly and properly rejected agreements based on that theory,” continued Capt. Morrison. “Most importantly, the low-cost carrier model does not require ‘discount’ pilots to succeed. We are a vital part of Spirit’s success—and should be compensated accordingly. We will settle for nothing less.”
Read the full transcript of Fornaro’s statement on the April 26, quarterly earnings call.
Spirit pilots are currently in negotiations with management while working under a five-year agreement that is eight months past the amendable date.
Founded in 1931, ALPA is the largest airline pilot union in the world and represents over 52,000 pilots at 30 U.S. and Canadian airlines. Visit the ALPA website at ALPA - Advancing Aviation Safety and Security since 1931 or follow us on Twitter @WeAreALPA.
- See more at: https://www.alpa.org/news-and-events....5UCJj5fI.dpuf
04-29-2016, 08:11 AM
#5667
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Originally Posted by skybolt
And.....The union leaders have to decide to stop "playing nice" to the company. As of now, the NC and MEC are not even willing to picket the upcoming share holders meeting
I'm a shareholder.. Why not have a bunch of us show up in uniform and send a message??
04-29-2016, 08:16 AM
#5668
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Originally Posted by RalphWiggum
Spirit Pilots Reject CEO Placing Their Compensation in Lowest “Tier” of Industry
With industry-leading profits, Spirit pilots press for industry-standard compensation
MIRAMAR, FL—Today, Spirit pilots, as represented by the Air Line Pilots Association, Int’l (ALPA), responded to statements made by Spirit CEO Robert L. Fornaro on the April 26 quarterly earnings call. During the call that announced better than expected pretax margins of 21.3 percent, Fornaro was asked about ongoing pilot negotiations and the rapid rise of pilot compensation at other carriers. Fornaro responded that the industry is tiered, and Spirit is firmly in the lowest tier along with Frontier and Allegiant. He suggested that this lowest tier is Spirit’s “peer group.”
“Based on these statements, Mr. Fornaro seems to imply that Spirit pilot compensation must also remain in the lower tier and tied to carriers whose pay rates and working conditions were either diminished by bankruptcy or unilaterally set without bargaining,” said Capt. Stuart Morrison, chairman of the Spirit unit of ALPA. “Simply put, this is a bogus assertion. Spirit’s profit margin—a much more relevant metric than ticket pricing—puts the company well into the industry’s upper tier.”
Delta, American, United, Southwest, and JetBlue also fly most of the routes operated by Spirit pilots. In markets across the country, Spirit has aggressively and successfully competed against these airlines. Meanwhile, the pilots at these carriers currently enjoy profit sharing and vastly superior rates of pay and retirement benefits.
Fornaro continued in his response to assert that the primary benefit for Spirit pilots is “fast growth, our pilots become captains much earlier than their peers.” However, with pilot retirement at historic levels, the legacy carriers currently offer upgrade opportunities to the captain seat, and/or to higher paying aircraft, earlier than Spirit. Additionally, many Spirit captain rates are lower than legacy first officer rates.
“Spirit pilots are not prepared to embark on the fool’s errand of accepting substandard pay and retirement based on the unenforceable hypothesis that the Company may grow more quickly. Our ‘peers’ throughout the industry have uniformly and properly rejected agreements based on that theory,” continued Capt. Morrison. “Most importantly, the low-cost carrier model does not require ‘discount’ pilots to succeed. We are a vital part of Spirit’s success—and should be compensated accordingly. We will settle for nothing less.”
Read the full transcript of Fornaro’s statement on the April 26, quarterly earnings call.
Spirit pilots are currently in negotiations with management while working under a five-year agreement that is eight months past the amendable date.
Founded in 1931, ALPA is the largest airline pilot union in the world and represents over 52,000 pilots at 30 U.S. and Canadian airlines. Visit the ALPA website at ALPA - Advancing Aviation Safety and Security since 1931 or follow us on Twitter @WeAreALPA.
- See more at: https://www.alpa.org/news-and-events....5UCJj5fI.dpuf
With industry-leading profits, Spirit pilots press for industry-standard compensation
MIRAMAR, FL—Today, Spirit pilots, as represented by the Air Line Pilots Association, Int’l (ALPA), responded to statements made by Spirit CEO Robert L. Fornaro on the April 26 quarterly earnings call. During the call that announced better than expected pretax margins of 21.3 percent, Fornaro was asked about ongoing pilot negotiations and the rapid rise of pilot compensation at other carriers. Fornaro responded that the industry is tiered, and Spirit is firmly in the lowest tier along with Frontier and Allegiant. He suggested that this lowest tier is Spirit’s “peer group.”
“Based on these statements, Mr. Fornaro seems to imply that Spirit pilot compensation must also remain in the lower tier and tied to carriers whose pay rates and working conditions were either diminished by bankruptcy or unilaterally set without bargaining,” said Capt. Stuart Morrison, chairman of the Spirit unit of ALPA. “Simply put, this is a bogus assertion. Spirit’s profit margin—a much more relevant metric than ticket pricing—puts the company well into the industry’s upper tier.”
Delta, American, United, Southwest, and JetBlue also fly most of the routes operated by Spirit pilots. In markets across the country, Spirit has aggressively and successfully competed against these airlines. Meanwhile, the pilots at these carriers currently enjoy profit sharing and vastly superior rates of pay and retirement benefits.
Fornaro continued in his response to assert that the primary benefit for Spirit pilots is “fast growth, our pilots become captains much earlier than their peers.” However, with pilot retirement at historic levels, the legacy carriers currently offer upgrade opportunities to the captain seat, and/or to higher paying aircraft, earlier than Spirit. Additionally, many Spirit captain rates are lower than legacy first officer rates.
“Spirit pilots are not prepared to embark on the fool’s errand of accepting substandard pay and retirement based on the unenforceable hypothesis that the Company may grow more quickly. Our ‘peers’ throughout the industry have uniformly and properly rejected agreements based on that theory,” continued Capt. Morrison. “Most importantly, the low-cost carrier model does not require ‘discount’ pilots to succeed. We are a vital part of Spirit’s success—and should be compensated accordingly. We will settle for nothing less.”
Read the full transcript of Fornaro’s statement on the April 26, quarterly earnings call.
Spirit pilots are currently in negotiations with management while working under a five-year agreement that is eight months past the amendable date.
Founded in 1931, ALPA is the largest airline pilot union in the world and represents over 52,000 pilots at 30 U.S. and Canadian airlines. Visit the ALPA website at ALPA - Advancing Aviation Safety and Security since 1931 or follow us on Twitter @WeAreALPA.
- See more at: https://www.alpa.org/news-and-events....5UCJj5fI.dpuf
04-29-2016, 08:54 AM
#5669
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Originally Posted by poolboy
Very nice response. He hit all the main points. Now we just need to make sure the investment community gets the message.
04-29-2016, 08:58 AM
#5670
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I am curious as to how effective picketing really is? Why not just go for a strike vote? I am somewhat new here and do not have applications out anywhere else, but after the earnings call and blatant disrespect from our CEO I have changed my mind and will be applying elsewhere.
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