Spirit of NKS, Part II
08-31-2016 | 09:15 AM
#8401
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I care about hourly rate because it's guaranteed money. Let me know how that 115 for 40hrs works out in September. In most cases crediting 115hrs doesn't even get you to what a United guy makes on guarantee flying a line he bid for and that his seniority holds instead of playing these games with scheduling and not letting your phone out of your sight. And if you can't figure out the difference between a 9% match and a 16% defined contribution over a career then you need your head checked.
Btw it's
scope, ltd, pay, retirement not just pay rates
Btw it's
scope, ltd, pay, retirement not just pay rates
. BTW if you think you're going to have a "career" at jerkoff Spirit Airlines perhaps you need to have YOUR head examined? Haven't you noticed all the smart quiet types are leaving en masse?
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08-31-2016 | 09:45 AM
#8402
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Has anyone tried the NEO LMS training modules? Keeps crashing and not remembering where I left off.
08-31-2016 | 11:52 AM
#8406
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In this market, yes. Especially being locked into it for five to ten years
AA/Usair get top- amendable 2019
United tops them and gets delta me too- amendable 2019
Southwest AIP to top united in pay and work rules at DOS and match retirement by the end, gets retro too, scope unknown at this time.- amendable 2021 I think if it passes
Delta negotiating for industry leading no doubt
Allegiant signs contract with almost zero work rules, hybrid retirement plan not a DC, and pay that never meets what United has today- amendable 2021
Virgin
Alaska
Jetblue
Spirit
All negotiating unknown values, so yes in the current cycle Allegiant is the bottom feeder. They didn't meet any other ratified contracts in any metric.
Frontier is fukced until indigo is out of the picture or they are released to strike.
AA/Usair get top- amendable 2019
United tops them and gets delta me too- amendable 2019
Southwest AIP to top united in pay and work rules at DOS and match retirement by the end, gets retro too, scope unknown at this time.- amendable 2021 I think if it passes
Delta negotiating for industry leading no doubt
Allegiant signs contract with almost zero work rules, hybrid retirement plan not a DC, and pay that never meets what United has today- amendable 2021
Virgin
Alaska
Jetblue
Spirit
All negotiating unknown values, so yes in the current cycle Allegiant is the bottom feeder. They didn't meet any other ratified contracts in any metric.
Frontier is fukced until indigo is out of the picture or they are released to strike.
08-31-2016 | 12:22 PM
#8407
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From: Airbus Left
You're comparing a small LCC to 600+ airplane legacy behemoths. Sun Country got about the best that Sun Country was going to get from their private owners. Allegiant got, for what Allegiant is, a pretty good deal. Mediators know the differences between regional, LCC, and a legacy. It is what it is, and historically has always been (legacy > LCC > regional). Good luck to you and I do hope you get a great contract. But under your current situation, it seems funny calling out Allegiant as bottom feeders
08-31-2016 | 01:51 PM
#8408
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Yes and no, there is only so much money the company makes. You can't sell our product for the same price as a legacy. I agree we are worth more but for us to sit here and pretend we are business analyst is illusional.
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08-31-2016 | 02:12 PM
#8409
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The real money for the legacies is in international flying. ONE first class $17,000 ticket is as much income as 378 Spirit passengers at $44.99 a piece. And while I would love to make United rates and United retirement, in the long run the Spirit model can't support that. Spirit won't be able to survive in 15 years if it's paying out Legacy wages to its employees simply because it doesn't have Legacy size pockets. I'm all for getting a big increase in the next contract but there has to be a level of realism to it.
08-31-2016 | 02:19 PM
#8410
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The real money for the legacies is in international flying. ONE first class $17,000 ticket is as much income as 378 Spirit passengers at $44.99 a piece. And while I would love to make United rates and United retirement, in the long run the Spirit model can't support that. Spirit won't be able to survive in 15 years if it's paying out Legacy wages to its employees simply because it doesn't have Legacy size pockets. I'm all for getting a big increase in the next contract but there has to be a level of realism to it.
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