Spirit of NKS, Part II
08-30-2016 | 01:56 PM
#8371
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Our NC has told us numerous times what our ask is, industry standard. (Average). Every TA that is signed including SWA, the average goes up. So I'm sure our ask goes up as well
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08-30-2016 | 02:30 PM
#8372
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Yep, I sure am. But I fly my line and that's it. I don't work special deals around the CBA to get "mine"! I'm also doing my part to help better things here. So open your eyes a little and think about how ones actions affect this process. I'd say you're blind if you agree that the guys crediting over 150 plus hours monthly while bailing out the company is helping your "FELLOW PILOT!" GMAFB!
So funny how guys flip flop.. Years ago you were ripping guys that told others to "leave then". I hope you're not a non green lanyard wearing pilot because it says SPA PILOTS!
So funny how guys flip flop.. Years ago you were ripping guys that told others to "leave then". I hope you're not a non green lanyard wearing pilot because it says SPA PILOTS!
I'm just getting a little tired of hearing guys dividing us in groups. "Those damn senior guys", "Those damn junior guys", "the millennials", "the idiots that are still here or are applying here", even "the hispanic speaking pilots".
Let's have some self respect and don't throw your fellow pilot under the bus!!
08-30-2016 | 02:43 PM
#8373
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That's too vague imo. They could be negotiating industry average for 15 yr CAs and DOS +4 for all we know. There is only one logical reason I can come up with to keep it a secret. I think it's time for the NC to share their position.
08-30-2016 | 03:04 PM
#8374
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Exactly, what is wrong with some transparency? We are the only people that do not know what the ask is. Management knows it, and the NC knows it, so whats the point hiding it now?
08-30-2016 | 03:29 PM
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I agree with what you're saying.. They are shooting for industry avg in our peer group(United, delta, AA, Alaska, JetBlue, and SWA). As we've seen, that avg has changed quite a bit and will change after delta gets a deal. If the NC sent out their ask months ago at what was industry avg to the pilot group, then the mediator would start there. Fortunately their last ask was above United's current rates. Now, their ask can adjust for others receiving new deals.
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08-30-2016 | 04:04 PM
#8376
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How many guys/gals did we lose this month?
08-30-2016 | 04:25 PM
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You are working for subpar wages. What makes you any different? And why are you still here, then?
Everyone I talk to and fly with support our quest 100%!! But they might not agree with some of the ideas and retoric posted on this thread. So don't throw your fellow pilot under the bus.
Everyone I talk to and fly with support our quest 100%!! But they might not agree with some of the ideas and retoric posted on this thread. So don't throw your fellow pilot under the bus.
I am here because for family reasons. If not for that I would be hitting every damn job fair I could.
Of course guys crushing the pay credits who have built their lifestyles around doing that would not agree.
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08-30-2016 | 04:28 PM
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Lol, took southwest what, 4 years to get a deal done, and that's without going to arbitration. There's not much anyone can do aside from letting the process work it way through. The larger the disparity NK is from market rates, the less like likely a deal will be done outside of a strike/arbitration. It's only been a year since the contract expired, it'll be 5+ years before a new one. Don't get too worked up, just sit back and enjoy the growth.
The difference is the current hiring at the legacies. Swa is losing guys to the legacies at a pretty strong clip just like we are. Their management probably desires to get out ahead of it. Our arrogant pricks are literally going to try to beat the labor market and will finally give us a raise when the labor markets kicks their ass and we are in a bad spot
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08-30-2016 | 04:57 PM
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word on the street is come to spirit for free type rating, then bail to any other airline that pays more......a320 type is a good thing
08-30-2016 | 05:00 PM
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Guys/Gals-
Email your reps and demand to know what's going on with negotiations, strike vote, info picketing, what our ask is and will it keep going up with all these new TA's! Demand some info and some show of unity and sack!
Secondly, I'm sure I'll get blasted on here for this.... I think every pilot should put his name on the SA list. Take your time on the phone to make sure you get every detail of the trip.....
It's about time we get pi$$ed off and stop being bullied!
Email your reps and demand to know what's going on with negotiations, strike vote, info picketing, what our ask is and will it keep going up with all these new TA's! Demand some info and some show of unity and sack!
Secondly, I'm sure I'll get blasted on here for this.... I think every pilot should put his name on the SA list. Take your time on the phone to make sure you get every detail of the trip.....
It's about time we get pi$$ed off and stop being bullied!
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