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06-28-2022, 05:59 AM
#182
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Originally Posted by FriendlyPilot
I don’t like it one bit. But given the current economic situation with a recession on the horizon, probably a long and deep one, getting anything is a win. People are saying that it barely beats inflation, but no pay raises is much worse with current inflation.
I’ll take the bird in the hand strictly based on the last 2 years economic condition of the company and the forward looking economic situation. Plus its only a 2 year deal so we restart negotiations hopefully right as the economy improves, Delta and American get some pay raises and the company has been profitable for a while.
Also getting something is a step and makes it easier to get our next step up, instead of trying to get it all in one shot in 3-4 years while having given up pay raises we would have had but turned down. 15% raises at the onset of an inflation for a company that has lost Billions in the last 2 years is something to think about.
I would like to vote no out of anger or spite, but it doesn’t gain us anything.
I’ll take the bird in the hand strictly based on the last 2 years economic condition of the company and the forward looking economic situation. Plus its only a 2 year deal so we restart negotiations hopefully right as the economy improves, Delta and American get some pay raises and the company has been profitable for a while.
Also getting something is a step and makes it easier to get our next step up, instead of trying to get it all in one shot in 3-4 years while having given up pay raises we would have had but turned down. 15% raises at the onset of an inflation for a company that has lost Billions in the last 2 years is something to think about.
I would like to vote no out of anger or spite, but it doesn’t gain us anything.
06-28-2022, 06:17 AM
#184
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Joined APC: Apr 2008
Position: Sleeping in the black swan’s nest.
Posts: 5,709
Originally Posted by fadec
United promotes a sinful life of sodomy with the rainbow flag. They encourage bearing false witness against your neighbor with pronouns that exacerbate gender dysphoria. A lot of people believe Satan's lies and think they're upholding Christ's law to love their neighbor as themselves when in fact they're only loving wickedness itself. There are a lot of good things too. I still see the love of Jesus shining through many people here and overall it is a good place to work. All we can do is pray for those who have strayed and love them as ourselves.
06-28-2022, 06:27 AM
#185
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Joined APC: Dec 2020
Posts: 137
Originally Posted by A320fumes
Sounds like personal issues that you need to work out. As far as “woke” and “liberal “, that has nothing to do with the folks relying on you to keep commerce moving in our great nation. You should keep in mind that it’s very easy to respect and honor folks with whom you agree. The PhD level is attained when you can respect folks with whom you don’t agree….trust me, that’s a much better life.
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Edit. Please don't think I'm not saying people at United are bad. I know ALOT of fantastic people at work. It's the brand that is a turd in my opinion. We'll never fix that because we continue to give our opinion on every social issue of the day. That's not a good business practice. My proof of that is our goal is now to be like Southwest. If you haven't been to any TK classes lately, you won't know this. Being like SW includes running a business and taking care of customers and not involving your business in politics or social issues that divide your customers.
06-28-2022, 06:36 AM
#186
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Joined APC: Sep 2005
Posts: 463
Emotion and revenge?
Originally Posted by TodKindrsChikun
Emotion and revenge should never be involved moving forward. It masks the necessary and proper changes that need to be instituted. This union has taken a direction of support for company initiatives which I feel requires a serious discussion.
06-28-2022, 06:43 AM
#187
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Joined APC: Dec 2020
Posts: 137
Originally Posted by CALPilotToo
Where on earth has anyone mentioned either?? My point is when it comes to the career of making money and retiring from this profession FedEx and UPS blow us out of the water. Simple as that. Those are simple economic facts!!! No revenge or emotion here. Personally, I think it’s emotion that got us here. No one willing to hold these guys feet to the fire the last 6 years in fear of hurting their emotion.
06-28-2022, 06:55 AM
#188
Ben Salley
Joined APC: Feb 2006
Position: Left
Posts: 924
Kinda why the best of us don’t do ALPA work for long. Neither Mike or Jeff should be the target of any revenge. Maybe just an opportunity to come back and fly the line for a while. Which isn’t punishment. Line Captain is still the best job at United
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Last edited by BobbyLeeSwagger; 06-28-2022 at 07:07 AM.
06-28-2022, 07:02 AM
#189
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Joined APC: Jul 2013
Posts: 4,672
Originally Posted by CALPilotToo
Why anyone would choose UAL over FedEx and UPS is beyond me. I get it from the outside looking in but if one truly does their homework no way is it justified to come here over those two. And after seeing this Id be getting my stuff in at FedEx and UPS so quick. The career earnings and retirement numbers at those two places is staggering over a career at UAL. Mind blowing the differences…
Originally Posted by Airhoss
Troll level 10….
Sometimes it’s great when a thread gets “fadec’d”
06-28-2022, 07:10 AM
#190
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Joined APC: Mar 2015
Posts: 963
Mike and Jeff believe what they're selling. I can tell from the conference yesterday that they thought the contract was an excellent piece of work. I recall one remark, that certain guys knew what they were doing because they sat right alongside crew scheduling as PDR's came in. They saw the aggregate of problems first hand, implying that perhaps a reserve pilot has the more limited view.
I have no doubt they worked hard and I thank them for their efforts. Unfortunately their lack of experience from a pilot's point of view and their close proximity to management and crew scheduling has impacted their judgement. Their priorities have drifted so far from the priorities of a pilot that they are incapable of providing competent representation.
I have no doubt they worked hard and I thank them for their efforts. Unfortunately their lack of experience from a pilot's point of view and their close proximity to management and crew scheduling has impacted their judgement. Their priorities have drifted so far from the priorities of a pilot that they are incapable of providing competent representation.
