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08-14-2023, 07:25 PM
#101
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Originally Posted by 72944
You said it right there Francis, you “played” captain in the sim during a canned scenario where you knew what was coming and no one was going to get hurt nor was metal going to get bent and your “captain” interaction was with one person “playing” ATC, dispatch and purser. Sure that makes you ready for the real world. GMAFB
08-14-2023, 07:52 PM
#102
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Posts: 51
Originally Posted by Broncofan
You are talking as if most instructors have never been in the real world and have never been captains before. Many have also been prior LCAs/ whatever the military equivalent is. GMAFB
08-15-2023, 04:45 AM
#103
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I haven’t had any issues flying trips with TK instructors, they have all done very well on the line. I have flown with numerous senior pilots in both seats who obviously hadn’t read the FOM or FM in years. Who would you rather have, someone who is up to speed but doesn’t fly the line as often or the guy who is extremely complacent and just passes their sim checks with the help of gouge and the script? Providing a TK instructor has the seniority to be captain on the aircraft that they instruct, they’ll do fine in the left seat.
08-15-2023, 01:12 PM
#104
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Joined APC: Apr 2018
Posts: 187
Originally Posted by GPullR
Sorry you are completely wrong about this. It's about the responsibility and quarterbacking bad situations that flying once every 60 days doesn't allow for a safe operation. ALPA was adamantly against letting IPs fly as captains that's why there is a restriction in it. You will see in about 3 weeks.
I say, that any PI who meets the normal requirements to upgrade and restricted from flying as a Captain because of some idiotic restriction in the new contract, should also be able to refuse to train new captains or sit seat support in the left seat. I mean the logic just doesn’t check out.
it ridiculous to think that it’s ok for a pilot who is not even off probation and has 350 hrs in type can upgrade under the new contract but a PI who might have a couple thousand hrs in type would be forced to fly as first officer for the said 350 hr wonder they just trained.
Last edited by 744ButtonPusher; 08-15-2023 at 01:38 PM.
08-24-2023, 05:45 AM
#105
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Posts: 187
Originally Posted by GPullR
Let's hope my reps are right and not yours, we've had enough banged up airplanes. Letting someone fly as captain once every 2 months is a accident waiting to happen.
08-27-2023, 05:55 PM
#106
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Joined APC: Apr 2023
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Originally Posted by 72944
You said it right there Francis, you “played” captain in the sim during a canned scenario where you knew what was coming and no one was going to get hurt nor was metal going to get bent and your “captain” interaction was with one person “playing” ATC, dispatch and purser. Sure that makes you ready for the real world. GMAFB
An upgrading CA goes through the syllabus. He does QLOE. He goes to the line, does OE, gets signed off (or comes back to TK for extra training). FAA says he’s good to go.
PIs not only teach that syllabus but also fly seat support for those same sims. Multiple times. So, at a minimum an upgrading CA does all of that once, and that’s good enough for the FAA and, I guess, you, but it’s not good enough if it’s a PI who has the seniority to upgrade too? How does that make sense?
Last edited by FrancisSawyer; 08-27-2023 at 06:06 PM.
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