Originally Posted by FlySaint (Post 2804169)

I listed a ticket that I know I had, but was not showing in the DMV report I ordered. Never heard a peep about it in the entire process. You’re not going to lose the job over a speeding ticket. But you will lose it over dishonesty, as perceived by the company, whether intentional on your part or an oversight.

Originally Posted by 14bis (Post 2806695)

This question was asked to the UAL recruiters during the virtual job fair last week, here is what they said: "no specific application questions are to be answered here." So I guess we're toasted!!!

But let's be hopeful that we get invited to the next Hiring Expo this coming September...

Originally Posted by 14bis (Post 2806698)

Do you mind sharing the exact email address United used to send the Hogan invite? Part of me still in denial and wants to check in the Junk mail file :rolleyes:

Originally Posted by RJCaptin (Post 2804196)

Are you stupid or something? Read the thread. People who were invited to the job fair were the top 1% of their application stack. You dont become the 1% by just flying the line. I am taking about people holding serious positions with their companies, as in, ADP, 119 positions, checkairman, and project managers, in addition to volunteering. United turned their backs on them and hired people not even in the same caliber.

Originally Posted by TripleSpool (Post 2806731)

Oh? You failed the Hogan?? You should probably advise your current employer so they can promptly take you off flying status. I mean, after all, you fly legacy passengers to their connecting hubs. The chain is broken.:D What a bunch of meaningless bs.

Any psych major can tell you that these tests are ineffective in revealing a pilot's true mental health. Why? Because people are smart.
Aside from the obvious 'serial killer questions', to which everyone is purvey, they neither prove nor disprove anything.

As a supporting side-note to my argument, Lubitz -the Germanwings pilot, passed his psych evaluation and was totally calm and collected when he locked his partner out of the cockpit and aimed toward the Alps.

Originally Posted by Grumpyaviator (Post 2808530)

I think the top 1pct were called directly for interviews. I think the expo was for candidates they were on the fence about, otherwise why not just interview them?

Originally Posted by Grumpyaviator (Post 2808533)

The test seemed to be more about finding personalities that fit the company culture than mentally fit pilots. Too bad HR is developing the flight ops culture rather than flight ops.

Originally Posted by TripleSpool (Post 2808644)

It’s unfortunate that anyone should think a ‘placement’ test can serve as a gateway into a company’s culture.

Originally Posted by SUX4U (Post 2808718)

I haven’t been reading a long with this thread much. Just popped in to see what was going on regarding a job fair from back in September. Triple I’m just curious what your status with United is? Did you attend the job fair and not hear anything back or what? Just from a brief read seems like you are on the war path regarding our hiring practices. I know many of us here myself included aren’t thrilled over the hiring issues here. Just curious where you stand as you are pretty vocal about it all.

Originally Posted by ecam (Post 2808761)

You youngsters complaining about United's hiring practices might need a history lesson. Pour another cup of coffee and google United + hiring + discrimination. There is a reason it's a lottery now.

https://apnews.com/6d84f2a4bed664453170da35a09d9616

Originally Posted by Grumpyaviator (Post 2808816)

And unfortunately, I’m not a youngster by any means, I’ve been in the industry for twenty years.

Originally Posted by ecam (Post 2808859)

I'm over 60 and I bet you're both youngsters compared to me.

Originally Posted by Grumpyaviator (Post 2808530)

I think the top 1pct were called directly for interviews. I think the expo was for candidates they were on the fence about, otherwise why not just interview them?

Originally Posted by RJCaptin (Post 2808960)

I can confirm from multiple candidates that went to the job fair, that they were told by the Head of Pilot hiring during the briefing that they were the top 1% of the applicants. The people that actually interview are random, because the glorious interviewers hired a guy that is universally hated at a certain regional. You all should be ashamed for treating people who give 200% every day like this.

Originally Posted by RJCaptin (Post 2808960)

...because the glorious interviewers hired a guy that is universally hated at a certain regional. You all should be ashamed for treating people who give 200% every day like this.

Originally Posted by ecam (Post 2808859)

I'm over 60 and I bet you're both youngsters compared to me.

Originally Posted by texaspropguy (Post 2808990)

Which Regional?

Originally Posted by RJCaptin (Post 2808960)

because the glorious interviewers hired a guy that is universally hated at a certain regional. You all should be ashamed for treating people who give 200% every day like this.

Originally Posted by texaspropguy (Post 2808990)

Which Regional?

Originally Posted by John Carr (Post 2809266)

Like it matters?

(Insert legacy airline) has hired universally hated pilot(s) from (insert regional airline) since forever.

Originally Posted by RJCaptin (Post 2809547)

Other legacies are not stupid enough to put their head of pilot hiring say the people in that room were the 1% of their application stack and predictably hire the complete opposite.

Originally Posted by penaltybox (Post 2809530)

Will UAL be accepting resumes at OBAP?

Originally Posted by prex8390 (Post 2809786)

They outright told people they wouldn’t be taking them at women in aviation. And then they did once you got there. So...... maybe?

Originally Posted by TripleSpool (Post 2806731)

Oh? You failed the Hogan?? You should probably advise your current employer so they can promptly take you off flying status. I mean, after all, you fly legacy passengers to their connecting hubs. The chain is broken.:D What a bunch of meaningless bs.

Any psych major can tell you that these tests are ineffective in revealing a pilot's true mental health. Why? Because people are smart.
Aside from the obvious 'serial killer questions', to which everyone is purvey, they neither prove nor disprove anything.

As a supporting side-note to my argument, Lubitz -the Germanwings pilot, passed his psych evaluation and was totally calm and collected when he locked his partner out of the cockpit and aimed toward the Alps.

Originally Posted by TripleSpool (Post 2808757)

My stance is quite evident.
As mentioned earlier I find the process to be inconsistent, filled with nepotism, often biased, and unprincipled in its affiliations.

I have nothing against United. I think it’s a great company but I take issue with their HR philosophy and practice. I’m not alone in this. I know I’m not. And the best part is that I have nothing to lose or gain by speaking my mind because too many (here) live in fear of speaking their minds.

As far as my personal career goals are concerned, I’m fine. I only hope to shed light on what many perceive to be unjust hiring practices.

Originally Posted by PDRit (Post 2813423)

Sounds like you think it’s unjust because you didn’t get hired. If you were hired would you be bearing your drum ?

Nepotism? You are saying that UAL should not be hiring family members but there are 12,000+ pilots clamoring for the ability to hire family.

You have claimed many things about the UAL hiring. However, I have flown with some hires from 2013 onward recently that were outstanding people and good pilots. Appears the hiring and training department is doing a good job from the end product I see on the line.

Originally Posted by Pilot553 (Post 2813587)

Well it’s nice to know a date has been set for the United event this year. Do we know how many applicants will get invited? Also, this is purely off the competitiveness of your Airline Apps application only?

Originally Posted by AeroCrewSolut (Post 2813634)

500 total, 250 each day. There will not be a military day and civilian day. You will be selected based solely on the score of your application.

Originally Posted by PDRit (Post 2813423)

Sounds like you think it’s unjust because you didn’t get hired. .

Originally Posted by Oletimer (Post 2814123)

Well there young fella lookie here. I've seen more than a few well connected pilots get hired. I can recall a recent father-son combo with the same first and last name get hired all because of connections.



Now, I think it's great to have a family member in your corner, but I don't think it should go all the way up to the top of the company and I don't think the undue influence is acceptable.



I've seen it all. Daughter of Philpot, Son of Starley. Whatever....



I think it's great, it's groovey, but it's not consistent. Give all Captains one silver bullet to use and let them use it. What we have is inconsistent.



inconsistency + HR golf shirt screening process = lack of credibility.



How about we just let Captains run it? I think we could give a few guys some crackerjack box HR degrees and let them figure it out.



We've got allot of well qualified regional pilots to choose from right now, so as long as we don't go out and hire regional co-pilots... and instead hire regional, 135, foreign equivalent 121, corporate, or military aircraft commanders (captains) I feel pretty good about who we are hiring right now.



I DO NOT like the practice of hiring regional co-pilots who have not upgraded. This hurts the process of advancement within the profession. I am sure our golf shirt HR guru's get this (no?).

Originally Posted by Learflyer (Post 2814126)

I agree. PIC used to be an important thing. To be a PIC (or first time in the left seat for that matter) at a mainline carrier for the first time in one’s career and missing all of those thousands of hours in an ATR at a regional gaining experience is something that’s going to backfire someday.

Originally Posted by sweptback (Post 2814158)

What do you mean backfire someday?

It's happened in the past and is happening now. People upgrade every day at the FTC without prior 121 PIC time. Captains you've flown with had their first upgrade at United.

I would argue that this round of hiring has given United some of the most qualified candidates EVER. How many regional LCAs or Captains has United hired with 10+ years 121 experience?

Anybody hired as a regional FO either has some serious connections, or has worked their tail off to get other leadership qualities to make up for the lack of PIC time on their resume. We are not at the point yet in the cycle where we're exclusively hiring 2000 hour pilots.

Originally Posted by ERAUAV8TR (Post 2814169)

What is Equivalent? Please explain? Cant think of any?

Originally Posted by ERAUAV8TR (Post 2814169)

What is Equivalent? Please explain? Cant think of any?

Originally Posted by sweptback (Post 2814158)

What do you mean backfire someday?

It's happened in the past and is happening now. People upgrade every day at the FTC without prior 121 PIC time. Captains you've flown with had their first upgrade at United.

I would argue that this round of hiring has given United some of the most qualified candidates EVER. How many regional LCAs or Captains has United hired with 10+ years 121 experience?

Anybody hired as a regional FO either has some serious connections, or has worked their tail off to get other leadership qualities to make up for the lack of PIC time on their resume. We are not at the point yet in the cycle where we're exclusively hiring 2000 hour pilots.