Contract 2019
01-14-2020, 08:40 AM
#101
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Originally Posted by 757Driver
Dislike intensely the supposed “pie” talk. When the cost of fuel goes up does management turn to the suppliers and say, “sorry, our fuel pie is only so big”?
No. we get what we can negotiate and for heavens sake, stop spinning the lame-ass pie story. That tired old phrase has been managing expectations well before I came on property 33 years ago and is meaningless. Yes management sets out to craft a contract that costs them only so much but it’s our job to exceed it and then some.
Shut your Pie-Hole
No. we get what we can negotiate and for heavens sake, stop spinning the lame-ass pie story. That tired old phrase has been managing expectations well before I came on property 33 years ago and is meaningless. Yes management sets out to craft a contract that costs them only so much but it’s our job to exceed it and then some.
Shut your Pie-Hole
01-14-2020, 09:17 AM
#104
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Originally Posted by LeeFXDWG
missing the analogy between purchasing fuel for aircraft and negotiating a contract under the rules of the railway labor act.....
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01-14-2020, 09:18 AM
#105
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Originally Posted by Itsajob
you missed the point. I was shooting down the pie is so big theory. The size of the pie is what we can negotiate and what gets voted in, not what they want to serve.
01-14-2020, 10:38 AM
#106
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I’d like apple pie ala mode. But, I’d like the pie heated, and I don’t want the ice cream on top. I want the ice cream on the side. And I want strawberry instead of vanilla, if you have it. But if not, I’d like whipped cream, but only if it’s real. If it’s out of the can, then nothing.
01-14-2020, 12:23 PM
#107
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Originally Posted by 757Driver
Simply saying that stuffing certain costs into a “Pie” is BS. Costs aren’t static and our contracts aren’t either. Just because management declares that our costs can only be so high doesn’t mean we need to agree to it. Capiche?
The issue is the opposite isn’t true.
We only have so much leverage within the RLA. Contracts don’t expire. Etc.
Unfortunately, the final size of the pie/cost of the new agreement will be directly proportional to the amount of leverage and negotiating capital we have.
Absent that, we can all operate under this contract until............
So no, you don’t roll over. You aim high but keep a cross check on the reality of our status under the RLA as well as to make it known in no uncertain terms that certain items like scope can’t be sacrificed.
We will know the outcome in the next few months IMHO. Then, 1 pilot and 1 vote.
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01-14-2020, 07:09 PM
#108
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Originally Posted by Monkeyfly
I’d like apple pie ala mode. But, I’d like the pie heated, and I don’t want the ice cream on top. I want the ice cream on the side. And I want strawberry instead of vanilla, if you have it. But if not, I’d like whipped cream, but only if it’s real. If it’s out of the can, then nothing.
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01-14-2020, 09:11 PM
#109
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Originally Posted by flynd94
So a 5 day block of reserve goes like this: FSB, SC, fly, fly and SC. It’s 1/13 and I already have 6 SC/FSB’s under my belt. All of them assigned.
01-15-2020, 08:04 AM
#110
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Originally Posted by 757driver
dislike intensely the supposed “pie” talk. When the cost of fuel goes up does management turn to the suppliers and say, “sorry, our fuel pie is only so big”?
No. We get what we can negotiate and for heavens sake, stop spinning the lame-ass pie story. That tired old phrase has been managing expectations well before i came on property 33 years ago and is meaningless. Yes management sets out to craft a contract that costs them only so much but it’s our job to exceed it and then some.
Shut your pie-hole
No. We get what we can negotiate and for heavens sake, stop spinning the lame-ass pie story. That tired old phrase has been managing expectations well before i came on property 33 years ago and is meaningless. Yes management sets out to craft a contract that costs them only so much but it’s our job to exceed it and then some.
Shut your pie-hole
^^^^^this x1000^^^^^
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