Keep

I dont expect to see a new contract for several years. Will it get contentious? Yes as it always does

horrido27

Keep in mind, a good chunk of those "WB guys" are also very junior FO's (ie.. Post Merger New Hires) on reserve who get the ****ty trips to LHR.

Not saying that a sell job won't come at some point.. but since we don't have a TA in sight (at least, none that we know of), the P2P spin up may (hopefully) be a way to talk to the pilots and "remind" them that we don't have a contract yet even, after 2 yrs of negotiations, and to Fly Smart.
I honestly don't think that there are enough "senior WideBody" guys to sell out scope just so they can stay on the top of the pyramid.

One only has to look over at Delta and see what JV's do.
Please explain to me the scenario where the union puts out a TA that sells out scope on the bottom end while just keeping scope on the top end the same? Makes no sense.

Now, if we had bad scope on the top end and were losing International WideBody flying.. you might have a point. But the exact opposite is true. We have strong scope on the top, and seems on the bottom too.. and we are growing our widebody fleet and our international destinations.
What is this 'Trade off' you speak of?

Seems guys are fishing to why the union is trying to put out comm. And slamming the union for thinking out of the box in a way to get to other pilots besides just meeting in the domiciles. I for one welcome this announcement.
But I too believe we may be a year or 2 away from a TA. Hope I'm wrong but time will tell.

Always
Motch

Oh, and FS, FP & FtC

PS) There is also a fair amount of 75/73 flying that goes to HNL. So it's not a widebody target audience~

pilotgolfer

Motch,
I was just thinking out loud. I’m not sure what purpose these roadshows serve considering there is no TA to talk about yet. It’s too late to be telling them what’s important to us. So what is motivating these meetings? I doubt the P2P guys will have much info to offer because they don’t have access to the inside scope. I would love to see their daily reports on how many pilots they had contact with.

BMEP100

boondoggle

pilotgolfer

and I’m okay with that. Just don’t sell it as anything other than that.

flightmedic01

Remember, the negotiating committee has just one job: to get a contract passed. And that takes 50% plus one. For me, if there aren’t serious changes to reserve rules and hard stand on scope, it’s a flat out “no”.

O2pilot

We wouldn’t be here if the MEC had voted down the last midterm wage deal extending the contract when we had leverage. Unfortunately SFO,LAX,ORD,IAD, DEN, and SEA shot it down 4-9 but EWR,CLE,GUM and IAH loved it and voted 8-1 making it pass by a slim margin.

IHateYou

I agree. Reserve rules need to be changed. No more rolling days at all for either domestic or global. Hire more pilots if you have to cover flying. My days off are my days off.

But there won’t be jack to vote on for years to come so settle in boys and girls.

Dave Fitzgerald

I applaud the P2P guys getting the ball rolling. There is a lot of misinformation out on the line, rumors about giving on scope. I think this is an attempt to quash the rumors and put out some facts. Lots of the new guys are getting frustrated with the perceived lack of action. Me too for that matter. It's hard to get information without negotiating in public.

I see one of 2 scenarios:
1. Oscar wants to get the contract done before he leaves--great. Yeah!!
2. I think more probable, Oscar leaves, we go for another couple of years with Kirby spouting relief on scope.

The one saving grace is I hear Kirby doesn't like Parker over at AA, and if we had a decent contract, labor peace, we could really put a hurt on AA competition wise--Since Parker has gone to war with his employees, it'll be pretty bad over there for quite a while. It'll be up to Kirby if we miss this opportunity.

Also, I wouldn't read too much into the outstation P2P guys. My bet is the union is taking advantage of some guys on the wide bodies doing P2P while on trips, and will be at the domiciles later next month.

Not everything is a conspiracy....well maybe....

Knotcher

Nice thinly veiled legacy dig there. That vote passed the pilots with flying colors so your "blame CAL" narrative fails miserably.

Your passive-aggressive skills are lacking as well, at least have the guts to say what you mean.