Originally Posted by Theonemarine

Which is why I emphasized I would not bid back into it. My point is using that as an excuse to skip over improvements of it are selfish. It needs work desperately just to catch up to others.

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Originally Posted by Itsajob

The transitioning from long call to short call and how field standby is used could easily be addressed. The market has changed. We are not trying to hold onto what we can on this cycle, management is trying to hold onto what they can. I’m willing to wait them out. I’m not expecting a 50% raise and only work every other Tuesday, but for the first time in a very long time, there is no reason to sacrifice anything.

Originally Posted by Theonemarine

Without tying to negotiate in public, LCR here is a non existant joke. Everyone is on long call, but literally no one, in any, fleet any seat, is on long call. AMR and maybe DAL (not positive on DAL) doesn't have FSB. We have them left and right. Rolling SCs, constantly changing SC windows, SCs and FSBs popping up at literally ALL TIMES OF DAY because the next coordinator sees someone on LCR sitting at home and can't have that. Those are just some of the issues.

I don't know about cost but even AMRs reserve system would be a win. Delta is only convertible to SC so many times a month. Anything would be better than the current system. I like our current contract overall. But the reality is, reserve was better in the RJ world I was in and im fortunate enough here to be off RSV and say I'd never bid it again on anything under the current rules. But the excuse RSV is a choice is a selfish one said by selfish people who are usually past reserve on any fleet.

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Originally Posted by Itsajob

With the exception of backwards movement caused by something like a furlough, or simply being a new hire, reserve is a choice that some make. I’m not saying that we shouldn’t have a good system in place, but if one is not new, or moving backwards, the decision to bid a different seat or piece of equipment and deal with reserve is actually a choice. I could be a reserve 756 captain, but that would stink, and my choice is to avoid reserve under any system. I agree that a better reserve system would be a real benefit to many people who would rather upgrade and deal with reserve, but at the end of the day, for most people on the list, the decision to bid for a change resulting in reserve, is definitely a choice.

Originally Posted by Theonemarine

Without tying to negotiate in public, LCR here is a non existant joke. Everyone is on long call, but literally no one, in any, fleet any seat, is on long call. AMR and maybe DAL (not positive on DAL) doesn't have FSB. We have them left and right. Rolling SCs, constantly changing SC windows, SCs and FSBs popping up at literally ALL TIMES OF DAY because the next coordinator sees someone on LCR sitting at home and can't have that. Those are just some of the issues.

I don't know about cost but even AMRs reserve system would be a win. Delta is only convertible to SC so many times a month. Anything would be better than the current system. I like our current contract overall. But the reality is, reserve was better in the RJ world I was in and im fortunate enough here to be off RSV and say I'd never bid it again on anything under the current rules. But the excuse RSV is a choice is a selfish one said by selfish people who are usually past reserve on any fleet.

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Originally Posted by Theonemarine

Without tying to negotiate in public, LCR here is a non existant joke. Everyone is on long call, but literally no one, in any, fleet any seat, is on long call. AMR and maybe DAL (not positive on DAL) doesn't have FSB. We have them left and right. Rolling SCs, constantly changing SC windows, SCs and FSBs popping up at literally ALL TIMES OF DAY because the next coordinator sees someone on LCR sitting at home and can't have that. Those are just some of the issues.

I don't know about cost but even AMRs reserve system would be a win. Delta is only convertible to SC so many times a month. Anything would be better than the current system. I like our current contract overall. But the reality is, reserve was better in the RJ world I was in and im fortunate enough here to be off RSV and say I'd never bid it again on anything under the current rules. But the excuse RSV is a choice is a selfish one said by selfish people who are usually past reserve on any fleet.

Originally Posted by Grumble

Until the operational fatigue reports start happening they have no incentive to change, and some of what they’re doing is without question fatiguing.

Originally Posted by Texasbound

What is your friend at Delta saying now?



Delta Mgmt requests mediator.

Originally Posted by Hatesheavys

Not saying it’s the right answer, but I honestly don’t see them throwing much of our negotiating capital at changing reserve rules. Most of the guys that have been around had much worse rules, and with our retirements and growth, very few people sit reserve unless they choose too. I’m not saying there’s not things they could change, but in the end the way negotiations work, there’s so many dollars to spend, I just don’t see much changing on the reserve front at all.a lot of guys don’t understand the union is working within a cost structure to a new contract, dollars spent in one area can’t be spent in another, so they try to maximize the benefits to the entire pilot group as best possible. That’s the reality of the situation, the other reality is if we want zero give on scope, this will take a while.