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01-05-2020 | 02:44 PM

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Please. Delta will get nowhere near 25%.

No one really knows what the bargaining looks like over at DELTA. I would love to know how things are going, but I can tell you this. "I am a jelly donut."...I am a Delta pilot.

I think we all need to root for Delta. The bar they raise, is the bar we will either crawl over, or crawl under.

01-05-2020 | 03:45 PM

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The bar they raise, is the bar we will either crawl over, or crawl under.

Delta is behind us. We are the ones that are supposed to be raising the bar.

01-05-2020 | 03:45 PM

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Uh, we are the ones that are supposed to be raising the bar.

I didn't want to say it... But thank you.

01-05-2020 | 03:53 PM

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Delta is behind us. We are the ones that are supposed to be raising the bar.

I think they will get to a deal sooner than us. That's my perception anyways.

I don't think Kirby wants to wag the dog. I think he doesn't want to "lead" in pattern bargaining. he'd rather see what the price of a pilot is and react.

Do you feel as if Kirby wants to "lead" in terms of pattern bargaining amongst legacy carriers?

01-05-2020 | 03:57 PM

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Delta is behind us. We are the ones that are supposed to be raising the bar.

A friend at Delta says their negotiations humming right along.

yeah, we were supposed to lead, but maybe we were just born to follow....

I bet we could negotiate some amazing new and improved "delta plus."

01-05-2020 | 04:04 PM

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Delta is behind us. We are the ones that are supposed to be raising the bar.

We SHOULD set the bar height, but Delta has always done that for the past two decades. I think UA Pilots will follow them yet again.

- Octa

01-05-2020 | 04:30 PM

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We SHOULD set the bar height, but Delta has always done that for the past two decades. I think UA Pilots will follow them yet again.

- Octa

I really tip my cap to DAL MEC. They seem like they are very squared away and are able to drive results for their pilots.

It's probably easier and cheaper for us to just focus on Delta plus in just about everything they do. Heck, we could just negotiate an AA plus, and SWA plus, and a DAL plus, and an XYZ plus and call it a day. No sense spinning our wheels to go nowhere fast (or slow).

01-05-2020 | 04:35 PM

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We didn't introduce any of the contentious sections until just before the amendable date. Retirement alone ( 9% DC increase and Cash plus up for soon to be retirees) may end up being a Billion dollar ask. With our current MEC, I don't anticipate any agreement for at least another year.

01-05-2020 | 05:05 PM

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Retirement alone ( 9% DC increase and Cash plus up for soon to be retirees) may end up being a Billion dollar ask.

The company has thrown away $9B in stock buybacks. Do you know where they got that money? When they wiped out the pension liability, they recorded it as a loss, and they are still getting loss carryforwards from terminating the pilots pensions.

So the money the company is giving to investors, indirectly came from terminating the pilots pensions.

I don't care if the company has to give $1B for that, because its still a small amount compared to what they stole and are currently benefitting from.

01-05-2020 | 05:29 PM

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i don't think it matters. This MEC, that MEC, the Current MEC, etc.

We need to be rooting for Delta.

Easy sections such as hostage, internment, prisoner of war are just feel good sections that are mutually beneficial.

We all (and I mean all) knew the company was gonna kick the can on pilot-centrist core issues.

Real-deal kitchen table issues will at some point get attention at the negotiating table as well.....But, likely Delta will move the ball for us, we just need to pick it up.