757Driver

This ^^^

Yes we will not give up scope, period. My concern is where's the outrage on a contract that is over one year expired, company's making more money than ever and we all show up to work fat, dumb and happy.

Union should be organizing picketing events and tell them to go to hell on the lame-ass Blitz days. Well past time to show our game faces and cook up some bad press for management.

Andy

I don't think that's the case, but it's not a subject that can be discussed in public. Airlines have been suing unions for status quo violations so anything that even hints of an organized work action puts us in jeopardy of being sued by the company.

Thor

ALPA can certainly organize pickets and other legal demonstrations, but, there is no way you’re going to hear the union suggest any change in the operational status quo.

Each pilot, individually, is going to have to make the decision about their engagement at work.

N6279P

Their engagement? Come to work and do your job. Not sure what there is to decide.

Sunvox

Kinda surprised no one brought up the Delta negotiations update on retirement funding. Short take for those who didn't see it is that DALPA opened with a request for retirement contributions to go up to 25% from 16% and go into an after tax plan. The intent being to bring all pilots back up to the pension + 401k level of pre-bankruptcy retirement funding, but in a way that is secure unlike the pensions of yesterday.

iahflyr

Kinda like the American MEC opener last cycle that started with “All flying for American Airlines will be done by pilots on the American Airlines seniority list.” Where did that go?

Delta pilots can ask for anything they want. They will likely get 16% for retirement.

gzsg

If it were 16%, and you are beyond clueless, 99% of our pilots would reject it in MEMRAT.

Delta made over a $6 Billion profit in 2019. They have bought back $15 Billion in stock.

We will attain the 25% and make major gains across our contract.

My hat is off to the United pilots for their firm stand on scope.

Concessions with this level of profitability are unconscionable.

Guppydriver95

You are either 1) not a pilot or 2) clueless as to the nuances related to labor relations.

If you’re not sure what else there is to decide, you’re just the type of drone, oops, I mean pilot, that management loves.

Sunvox

Yeah, my guesses of late have been way off, but I'm guessin' now not so much with status quo when the corporation is minting money. Just thought the details of how ALPA wanted to improve the value of our contracts were interesting. They apparently are focused on bringing value to our retirement. That's great for guys equal in age to out Chairman, but not so much for the younger generation since it will be decades away in value for them.

O2pilot

We all benefit from a retirement plan.

I don't see anybody on the seniority list complaining about the 16% contribution and some pilots won't be able to touch it for 30-40 years. Also, anybody who retires early because now they don't have to work until 65 lets every pilot move up a number. We get 300-400 early retirements in addition to the normal retirements, and that's a big "now" benefit for everyone. The way this was presented, as a 9% pre-tax contribution by the company that grows over time, actually benefits junior and younger pilots even more, because they have years of accumulation ahead of them, and will have far richer retirements than anyone who was here through the ESOP when we could not contribute to our 401k because the stock value of the ESOP shares were already too high.

Having the company contribute to EVERY pilot, and that pilot able to see how much is in that other retirement account that they own, is a huge win for all of us. If we had that 25 years ago when I was hired, many of us wouldn't be here right now.