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Old 03-09-2020, 07:42 AM
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Vacaville is where you go in your little plane to ride a little train to have lunch at the Nut Tree - or at least it was.
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VICTORVILLE, CA is what I think you mean...

Vacaville, CA is near Travis, AFB
Thanks;my bad. Meant Victorville. Old timer's disease.
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Old 03-09-2020, 10:08 AM
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Holy cow Bat Man!! Over reaction is right.

777A's--will probably be in more demand now than ever. Cattle car is right, 364 seats. They are contemplating adding more seats, how? I have no idea, but these are flying Hawaii and domestic. If anything will stay busy, these will.

There is quite simply no replacement for the 777's either, much like the 767's. The answer would be a new plane order, which might be a bit tricky right now, but could get some good deals from Boeing on planes that aren't selling. But I'm sure, they are betting this disaster is short term and won't panic either.

I just flew a military charter, and the charter guys that were with us, said UAL is now aggressively going after the charter business. Great news in my mind. Before Corona, we simply didn't have the excess airframes to do this. Now we do.

Chicken little indeed--but don't spend that profit sharing check for next year....some planes that are coming up on MX, might be temporarily parked till they can schedule heavy MX, but retired? No.
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Old 03-09-2020, 10:20 AM
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777A's--will probably be in more demand now than ever. Cattle car is right, 364 seats. They are contemplating adding more seats, how? I have no idea, but these are flying Hawaii and domestic. If anything will stay busy, these will.
Really? Have you even been flying lately? Passengers are freaking out about coronavirus. The last thing these people want to do is ride with 363 strangers (who could be, in their minds, possibly infected with coronavirus) on a flight.

I've had more than a few passengers freaking out about coronavirus. He11, I expect a minimum of two vocal germaphobes on every half empty 319 flight.

And with the way loads are falling, flying 50 passengers in a 777 cattle car isn't exactly cost effective.
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Old 03-09-2020, 11:50 AM
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To the OP: the same media brought us this gem out of the MH370 tragedy:
I can’t forget Don Lemon pondering with a six person panel if a black hole made that aircraft disappear.
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I can’t forget Don Lemon pondering with a six person panel if a black hole made that aircraft disappear.
Was that before or after he declared “the biggest terror threat in this country is white men”?

I promised that if he ever boarded my flight, one of us was getting off.
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Old 03-09-2020, 06:04 PM
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Somehow we have gone several pages without properly stating, NO 777s are being grounded or sent to the desert.

If UA needs to "save" money, then why did it just put in an order for A321s???? So, let's not park things UA owns, let's get back money that UA didn't need to spend on new shiny things that can be replaced differently if we get creative.

Cancel the A321 order and let the new 737 Max aircraft that will come in sometime in the next 6-9 months eventually replace the 757. Already ordered and coming with benefits for UA due to being late. Keep on rocking with the 737NG and A320CEO until all of this "Amstel/Budweiser/Yuengling Virus" clears. Keep cash in the pocket, stretch paid for assets further and use new assets that arrive with "decreased" costs to man the gap.
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Old 03-09-2020, 06:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Geronimo17 View Post
Somehow we have gone several pages without properly stating, NO 777s are being grounded or sent to the desert.

If UA needs to "save" money, then why did it just put in an order for A321s???? So, let's not park things UA owns, let's get back money that UA didn't need to spend on new shiny things that can be replaced differently if we get creative.

Cancel the A321 order and let the new 737 Max aircraft that will come in sometime in the next 6-9 months eventually replace the 757. Already ordered and coming with benefits for UA due to being late. Keep on rocking with the 737NG and A320CEO until all of this "Amstel/Budweiser/Yuengling Virus" clears. Keep cash in the pocket, stretch paid for assets further and use new assets that arrive with "decreased" costs to man the gap.
<-this won't age well. BTW, the 321 order isn't costing UA any money right now. If anything it's making money the form of deeper discounts.
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Originally Posted by Geronimo17 View Post
Cancel the A321 order and let the new 737 Max aircraft that will come in sometime in the next 6-9 months eventually replace the 757.
Great plan, except the 737-10 can't cross the Atlantic with a full payload.

UAL can defer the XLRs but that also means holding onto the 757s and not replacing.
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triples may be just going domestic instead of getting parked. Without all the single and double augmentation even if the plane flew the same hours (impossible) your staffing needs would be much lower.
You'd need the same number of pilots, but you wouldn't have enough captains.

1 x 13-hour transpac: 1 captain, 3 FOs
2 x 6.5-hour transcons: 2 captains, 2 FOs
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