Originally Posted by BMEP100

You’ve done a really good job explaining the financial incentive for the company to reduce the number of fleet types. Watch for the Airbus to be parked next, before the bumping begins.

Originally Posted by O2pilot

Every time there is a displacement, pilots are going to go to a category that is best for them. I believe you are going to see a lot of 756 FOs bid the 777 or 787 category because they know they will be bumped on a future round. Most 756 Captains can not hold widebody, and many that can have already decided they aren’t flying it, so they will mostly be bidding 737 or Airbus Captain, causing about 600 overages in those fleets. Now you have REAL problems. As you bump more Captains on the NB fleets, those pilots are ALL going to bid WB FO. This creates numerous rounds of bumping now, since even the bases won’t have the right numbers of pilots. It won’t take long for people to learn how to play the bumping game. You will have people bumping into categories that they know there will be no way they will end up holding. After 9/11 we had 727 Captains who it took 6 months or more of displacement before ever going to TK. They went from 727 Captain, to Airbus Captain, to 737 Captain to 747-400 FO, to 777 FO to 767 FO. Even a year after 9/11 the schoolhouse was still going full speed retraining. The record I am aware of is someone got trained on 3 planes in about 5 months. Also the company was offering SRLs well into 2003, more than a year and a half after we park a bunch of planes.

The contract is designed to make displacing extremely costly to the company so they mitigate it as much as possible. The only thing that will really help is if they chop a bunch of people off of the top of each category through an early retirement similar to American’s. Here’s why...if they decide to furlough 2,000 pilots, that means the remaining 11,000 pilots are a sunk cost. They have to pay us, and they don’t really care which seats we are in. Any churn among the remaining 11,000 “sunk cost” pilots are excess costs. American recognized that and was able to get over 600 pilots to leave. Even if they are WB pilots that’s fine, because as they train new WB pilots, they pull them from NB seats in which they are going to be over, keeping them from not bumping in those categories, whether CA or FO.

Originally Posted by BMEP100

You’ve done a really good job explaining the financial incentive for the company to reduce the number of fleet types. Watch for the Airbus to be parked next, before the bumping begins.

Originally Posted by O2pilot

Every time there is a displacement, pilots are going to go to a category that is best for them. I believe you are going to see a lot of 756 FOs bid the 777 or 787 category because they know they will be bumped on a future round. .

Originally Posted by O2pilot

Not to mention having 4,000 pilots on the street if we buy another airline. Since our 4,000 pilots aren’t bringing a job to the merger, they mostly get stapled, and its a huge win for whatever narrowbody airline we buy at the expense of pilots who are on our seniority list as of right now.

Originally Posted by TFAYD

is that how it works? I thought that has been changed in current ALPA policy?

Originally Posted by O2pilot

Not to mention having 4,000 pilots on the street if we buy another airline. Since our 4,000 pilots aren’t bringing a job to the merger, they mostly get stapled, and its a huge win for whatever narrowbody airline we buy at the expense of pilots who are on our seniority list as of right now.

Originally Posted by Bpcrate

Nope. Just his pathetic jab at lcal. All bs btw.


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Originally Posted by 89Pistons

They'd reduce the ability for most of the junior 756 FO's (and more senior volunteers) to bump to the 777 and 787 by displacing on multiple fleets simultaneously.

Originally Posted by JimLaheyTPS

But if they displace 10% on 777/787 FO and 10% 737CA at the same time then would that mean zero pilots can bump to those fleets as they are currently being displaced but only at a lower percentage compared to 756 displacements?