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Old 09-16-2020 | 11:32 AM
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Originally Posted by vipereaglebus
Not that I can see. That's a deal-breaker for me. Maybe the assumption is that we'll likely furlough in June and they'd be available then?
COLAs have to be approved.
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Old 09-16-2020 | 11:34 AM
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Originally Posted by duvie
To what end? if they are offering this, vs a much cheaper alternative of furloughing thousands, why would they intentionally fly less than our competition?
Until there is demand for it, else they will keep everyone on campus for the lowest cost possible. My real point is if your going to make an assumption about pay and pay cuts, you need to assume we will be stuck in the lowest pay category.
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Old 09-16-2020 | 11:37 AM
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Originally Posted by mmm123
Thats the direction the company is headed, Insler sorry you can have him
I don't know anything about him, all I hear from my peers is my union speaks for me, and you are my brother in arms. Apparently thats not the case, and everyone is out for their own. Pretty sad.
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Old 09-16-2020 | 11:46 AM
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Originally Posted by Goobacca
I don't know anything about him, all I hear from my peers is my union speaks for me, and you are my brother in arms. Apparently thats not the case, and everyone is out for their own. Pretty sad.
Sure like when we were trying to get a new contract and many newer hires were happy with what we have, no hurry I heard. What an annuity to help out people that are retiring??? The newest hires always commented they didn't need any of that. Yes brothers in arms you say. Take a look as I think the last 35 years we have done a pretty good job bringing things up to where we are, now all I hear from folks like you is whats in it for me. Pretty sad imo.
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Old 09-16-2020 | 11:49 AM
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Originally Posted by mmm123
Sure like when we were trying to get a new contract and many newer hires were happy with what we have, no hurry I heard. What an annuity to help out people that are retiring??? The newest hires always commented they didn't need any of that. Yes brothers in arms you say. Take a look as I think the last 35 years we have done a pretty good job bringing things up to where we are, now all I hear from folks like you is whats in it for me. Pretty sad imo.
Huh? Folks like me having a discussion? Sorry, I will agree with you...how does it go? Every sucks, and we will be bankrupt.

At least I looked at it and said what I liked about it, you just said NO, tell me why? This is a DISCUSSION board.
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Old 09-16-2020 | 11:53 AM
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Originally Posted by oldmako
How can you reach that conclusion? Pre-Covid I made 83-90 hours per month. Now, 73. With this agreement, apparently ~52.

***Just came in and read this thread. I have not yet read the letter.
It's not precovid vs TA. It's covid without TA vs Covid with TA.
Those 10-17 hrs are already gone, man.
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Old 09-16-2020 | 11:54 AM
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Originally Posted by Goobacca
Huh? Folks like me having a discussion? Sorry, I will agree with you...how does it go? Every sucks, and we will be bankrupt.

At least I looked at it and said what I liked about it, you just said NO, tell me why? This is a DISCUSSION board.
Good luck....
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Old 09-16-2020 | 11:55 AM
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Originally Posted by RomeoHotel
Didn’t the original VSL stretch stretch out for up to three years for a 62-year-old...?
This new TA (VSL) is capped at 2 years..
Yes. But they are going to award 655 pilots this time, and in seniority order. Those 655 people leaving is a couple years seniority for a lot of us, and will certainly mitigate furloughs after this LOA ends not to mention allowing a lot of us to bid up in category quicker when it turns around.
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Old 09-16-2020 | 11:57 AM
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Originally Posted by mmm123
Good luck....
Ok, thanks! I and my 2900-3900ish furloughees and several more displacements need luck, and good information. Good discussion, you really changed my mind, must be fun to fly with.
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Old 09-16-2020 | 11:58 AM
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From union. “Essentially, we are buying an extra eight months to see if there is an improvement. Absent a recovery, the Company will be limited to around 2,000 furloughs if they want to continue to use the provisions contained in this LOA.”

so my rough math Middle tier guy from 73 hrs to 52 is essentially I’m taking a 24 month pay cut To the tune of $120,000 on hope for 8 months even though the union put out recovery to 2019 levels will be 2023-2024 at best...No thanks.
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