This TA will never make it to the two year mark if it passes. The virus is going to take care of that, one way or the other. If this passes, we will be in a better position to recover quickly if a vaccine is effective. If a vaccine isn’t available, or if it doesn’t restore consumer confidence, the company will back out, terminating the TA, and their 3,900 furlough number will be the starting point as we fight for survival and head into bankruptcy. If the TA doesn’t pass, they will get started with the furloughs in October and go hard and fast. When things do turn around, our recovery will be limited by our training capacity and vacancy/displacement requirements in our CBA. There are no guarantee that the TA will be effective, the only guarantee is that if this doesn’t pass, Kirby will get started with the furloughs immediately, there will be more displacements as we approach the 3,900 number, and our recovery will be slower.

 

Buddy, the whole point of the TA is that it attempts to address multiple scenarios. it wasn’t written to address one specific, desired outcome. it is FAR from perfect, but it gives some flexibility to company, which directly translates into almost 3000 pilot job for eight more months. If things don’t look good and they no longer want the flexibility, this terminates and the senior guys and gals go back to their mpg in their displaced position/ reduced seniority, but with a couple more protections in place.

imagine you are trying to craft furlough mitigation plan. You are really choosing from and lesser of many evils. So although this is hard to stomach, I would honestly invite you to imagine what you would’ve suggested.

 

this right here. If this gets shot down I see large furloughs (beyond those who have been notified) and possible fleet retirements. This agreement costs the company more than a furlough. In a time when they are trying to save every penny, there has to be a reason why they are willing to pay more. The reason is to have pilots in the seats they need to be when the recovery begins. The way I see it is they can start with massive furloughs now or pass the TA and buy time. If we are still in this position in June they will have to furlough a large number and void the agreement. Or the recovery will begin and we will start moving in the right direction and see increases in MPG and grow more rapidly than our competitors leading to vacancy bids and hiring.

 

Look Duvie, you’re almost pathetic in your plea to convince others to “just see it your way”

I asked - what group are you in? Honestly. You sound like someone who wants to keep a pay protected seat and minimal pay cut via a cancelled displacement. And you want me to cover the cost. Remember I’m the lower 1/3 you’ve chosen to disenfranchise. Talk about selfish and me me me.

 

I've answered your question Many times elsewhere and stated that, short term, I’d be better off with the status quo. If you don’t believe me, I guess we’re at an impasse

 

We were at an impasse three weeks ago when the first leaks came out. The "what are you guys arguing about when there are no details" leaks. The ones that were incredibly accurate and if anything, too rose colored.

 

Big5.. please explain it one more time. Do you want to help mitigate furloughs? I would hope yes. Now, aside from that, are you betting that you won’t get furloughed? Is that why you’re so opposed to this?

 

Are you satisfied with the way the pilot groups were divided?

I’m marked for furlough - one of the 3900. Why is it such a strange occurrence that I would rather have the furlough provisions in the UPA vs. this TA? Ive already shared my thoughts on the matter. I think it bears repeating though, I don’t furlough fellow pilots nor do I mitigate furloughs for them. That’s UALs responsibility. What next? Are the no voters going to be asked to sign the WARN notices?

SysB, Would you take a 53% MPG reduction for 2 years to mitigate, not even eliminate furloughs? I would hope the answer is no.

 

The responses in bold are interesting.

Seems to be written by a junior person who has yet had the opportunity to pay their dues. Reminds me of some of the 23 year old Bonanza commanders carrying around the 8 ball who got theirs while doing the ever-so-important UAL internships.

Is the entire NC oh-so-very-junior? Seems to be written from a junior pilots perspective. Juniority seems to be more important than seniority now a days. Screw the senior guys...GMAFB

 

So with a "NO" you don't get rid of me and 654 others early out.....you're on the street for sure....don't get the medical and a half job at half pay and keep your positioin.....displacements are final.....and watch the company shrink until??? ...Also if you don't like the half pay you can get COLA until you want to come back.....