Originally Posted by UALfoLIFE

If you sit higher than 65% on the gline it will be very tough to get a line more than 15 days off when the line credit average is 85 hours or higher. In my experience when being lower than 60-65% it became much easier to get less credit and more days off. The bottom of the seniority list in a BES will generally get hammered with work when the line credit average is 85 hours or greater.

With that said “average credit per day >6 hours” works pretty well but you have to learn how to use it amongst all the other commands in PBS. I used bid nav until it taught me enough about the system to do it on my own then canceled it. I recommend doing the same.

Originally Posted by Flynn

You said you’re moving to base-that’ll help a lot.

Even being junior, it shouldn’t be that hard to get schedules where you’re flying four 4 days per month. Once you’re living in base, you’ll be working 16 days/mo and gone for 12 nights/mo. Until you get more senior I don’t think you’re going to do much better than that.

As another poster said, fly the trips starting with redeyes-not fun for you but gives you a lot more family time.



Maybe try 3-4 bid groups with only 2 commands:
-a Set command for max credit
-award work

Over the 3-4 bid groups start the set command with 75 then relax it to 78, 83, then 85 hours.
-make sure you put bid groups after the 4th one just in case it fails.

Hope it works out for you and your family.

Originally Posted by CleCapt

The problem isn't PBS. It's in the pairings. Lousy low time pairings with lots of sit time, multiple aircraft and crew swaps will lead to a lousy schedule.

Find a way to take out at least one of the variables. The pilots or FA's should stay on the inbound plane. Dump the idea of having stray extra FAs coming from different inbound flights.

Crews sitting in places like Cancun with 3 hour sit having to clear customs and no where to sit, is a disgrace.

The contract should not say 5 hours AVERAGE pay over the trip. If we got 5 hours minimum pay per day, then the schedules would reflect that.

This is not meant to be a legacy fight. Legacy UAL was happy with 20 hour 4 day trips. Legacy CAL had 28 hour 4 days and 23 hour 3 days.

Productive pairings can still have 20 hour layovers in Cancun, Cabo and the Caribbean, if we don't sit around all day in airports not getting paid.

Sure, the bottom of the lists will still fly the crappier trips, but at least they will have something to look forward to.

Originally Posted by Cougs

. Our work rules are **** poor.

Originally Posted by Cougs

Thank you. It’s only taken a couple of months to figure out that we have the worst trip rigs and reserve rules of the big 4. Is that something that will change? Or more appropriately, is it reasonable to expect those work rules to change? I know that’s probably years away. I have no idea how long it takes to negotiate a contract. When I talked to my SWA buddies about their rigs and what they pay, and my Delta buddies about their reserve rules, it really pushed me off the cliff. Our work rules are **** poor.

Originally Posted by JoePatroni

How do your Delta buddies like deadheading in their middle coach seats?

Originally Posted by TorqueWrench

I’m sure it’s bearable when they get their profit sharing checks or excess DC contribution check, unlike UAL, which has a RHA trust. I don’t see how ANY pilot could Deadhead enough to think a first class seat is a massive selling point.

Originally Posted by Airhoss

Im super curious to know what your background is? What were you doing before getting at UAL that gave you a guaranteed 18 days off a month?

I mean you can get 18 days a month off once you get some seniority but expecting it as a new hire is unrealistic. Sounds like it’s time to ditch the old ball and chain or find another job.

Originally Posted by TorqueWrench

I’m sure it’s bearable when they get their profit sharing checks or excess DC contribution check, unlike UAL, which has a RHA trust. I don’t see how ANY pilot could Deadhead enough to think a first class seat is a massive selling point.

Originally Posted by Knotcher

No kidding...that "victory" ranks about as high as getting our crew meals served on china dinnerware. Makes me sick how giddy people are for a first class seat like its their first time. BFD....