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05-20-2022 | 06:58 AM

#401

ugleeual

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From: 767/757 CA

Survey happened as indicated… can’t fault ALPA for pilots who don’t read their emails.

05-20-2022 | 09:04 AM

#402

massgflight

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Originally Posted by Guppydriver95

No kidding. What a disgrace. This attitude is what’s wrong with our profession

Relax boys and girls. Of course I'll read the TA and I'll vote yea or nah. You'd both enjoy flying with me if you haven't already. Ya just never know!

The economy is going down. Bank on it! In the context of that position, which is mine, leverage could get worse. Just an opinion. Go ahead and deuce on me LOL!

05-20-2022 | 11:10 AM

#403

Mkupetz

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Originally Posted by Fat Old Tired

What happens to those orders when the economy continues to go down while oil prices go up and consumer demand drops?! How could they offer us a big juicy contract AND be able to order new jets to replace the old Boeing ones?

I'm starting to get very pessimistic about this place.

Just look at what Delta and AA did, parked the 767-300, 75, etc. They got burned by 787 delay, so they can't fly a full schedule now and they were too aggressive on WB retirements. But they did show the logical path forward. Highly doubtful UAL management won't go down the same path and reasonably soon with more 78's. Which are also great fuel hedge so helps with that as well.

05-20-2022 | 11:22 AM

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sleeves

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Originally Posted by AxlF16

Maybe. That's a risk of voting down a TA. As I understand the situation, the disconnect is total economic cost since the QOL/work rules are already agreed upon. Therefore voting it down and reattacking in 3 months when the profitability is improved may lead to higher pay rates. Or there could be a recession and we don't get a better deal for a few years? It's a risk management exercise for me. There's no simple, black & white choice.

Yep, nothing is ever black and white. Too many are ready to turn down anything that doesn’t lead to 25% on day one. Getting something like that is gonna take time and a lot of give and take. The company isn’t t just gonna give a whooper away without a fight in my experience. Hitting a couple singles, moving the ball forward could work to the same outcome. Something to consider anyway.