Incorrect..

Date of effectiveness is moved to Jan 1, 2022. 5% retro to then. Raise Jan 2023 and 2024. 14.6 raise in 19 months , not 2 years. Still doesn't cover inflation let alone no pay raise for 3.5 years.

 

Didn't we already vote in a 5% pay increase with two profitable quarters?? So your basis point should be moved to $297.38 (283.22*1.05). Therefore, its 9.2% by 2024 that is proposed, not 14.66%. Kirby himself said there's not enough pilots, let's actually get what we deserve and not fall for fear such as recession, monkey pox, ______.

United Airlines CEO Scott Kirby told investors during an earnings call in April that the shortage could last for years. "The pilot shortage for the industry is real, and most airlines are simply not going to be able to realize their capacity plans because there simply aren't enough pilots, at least not for the next five-plus years," Kirby said.

quote https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/no...prices-soaring

 

There is a reason physicians and surgeons can maintain high compensation rates. The AMA artificially suppresses the number of schools they accredit, they limit the number of students those schools can mint as new docs, and they limit the number of spots in each of the various residency programs.

I’m not saying we try to artificially limit the pilot supply, but I am saying we should not fall for the false claims of “pilot shortage”, which are not true. I am also saying we better stand up and not allow our profession to be diluted with cuts to the 1500-hour rule, ATP standards, etc.

They are already diluting the pilot pool with foreign pilots and making moves elsewhere. Ask the AMA how difficult they make it for a foreign doc to show up in the US and get a medical license here.

Don’t sell yourselves, and our profession, short.

 

Nope not how it triggers.

 

2020 & 2021 seems pay raises where not the concern of the pilot group at that time......Just can't remember why

 

I believe it's 4 profitable quarters.

 

Closer, Rolling average of 5% over 4 consecutive quarters.

 

Yay Aldo Raine!!!! It's not a pilot shortage. It's a training shortage. If the airlines had 2x size training departments there would be no "pilot shortage". There are plenty of 1500 commercial pilots out there who wouldn't mind working for a major airline. It's not that the pool is empty. It's that that school is full.

Also, last contract rates were for JANUARY 1, 2019. That's 2019, 2020, 2021, and 2022.5 worth of no raises. Compounding the CPI gives us something like 15% since the last time we got a raise. This needs to be day 1. Those posted 2024 rates work out to 2.7% compounded annually since Jan 2019. That is, if we accept 14.6% by 2024 that's only 2.7% per year since Jan 2019.

That said, I'm a commuter and I'll vote for a positive space commute even if our wages crash like tech stocks. Screw y'all in-base lib-tax-paying low-qol 10-day-off section-3-only sellouts. You anti-gun pro-abortion work-on-sunday vaxxer bros are on notice: my vote is yes.

 

OK, then why not wait and let that trigger, then start from there?? Otherwise, what was even the purpose of the 5% carrot? Seems like we would just b giving that up

 

The earliest it will trigger is March 2023. If/when it does, we get the Jan 2024 rates immediately, according to the way I read the “leaked” CA pay chart.


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