Agreement In Principle
05-21-2022 | 12:02 PM
#431
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This is an incredibly naive and silly point of view. It is similar to the "inflation is x so the raise needs to be y". There are 800 other pages of the contract besides the 4 or 5 that have the rumored hourly rates. Those are just as important if not more so to the overall quality of the contract. Hypothetically and as an example: How much is no field standby worth to you? What if it gave you x add pay? That is every United pilots personal calculus to decide. You also don't understand pattern bargaining. A rising tide lifts all boats and someone has to be first to push those other open contracts towards negotiating in good faith. The RLA isn't on our side.
Americans new ceo walked away, Delta is signing a scope LOA inside of section 6 negotiations which doesn't bode well for getting a timely contract, jetblue just voted away section 6 leverage for a 3% raise, spirit / frontier is being raided by a bunch of suits, and Alaska is getting mismanaged into oblivion. Getting something to vote on is a win in and of itself. Is it worthy of voting for or against? We need to read the WHOLE contract.
Americans new ceo walked away, Delta is signing a scope LOA inside of section 6 negotiations which doesn't bode well for getting a timely contract, jetblue just voted away section 6 leverage for a 3% raise, spirit / frontier is being raided by a bunch of suits, and Alaska is getting mismanaged into oblivion. Getting something to vote on is a win in and of itself. Is it worthy of voting for or against? We need to read the WHOLE contract.
The first section of any TA I read is section 1 and the last is section 3.
05-21-2022 | 02:07 PM
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05-21-2022 | 03:24 PM
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From: Whale FO
Originally Posted by m3113n1a1 View Post
Supposedly the Concorde trips at British airways weren't that great seeing as it was about 3 hours to JFK. Paid like 7 hours for a 2 day trip!
BA pilots weren't paid by an hour.
And no, they weren't doing turns, schedules would not allow it. BA3 left JFK just when BA1 arrived. BA2 was the overnighting plane.
Supposedly the Concorde trips at British airways weren't that great seeing as it was about 3 hours to JFK. Paid like 7 hours for a 2 day trip!
BA pilots weren't paid by an hour.
And no, they weren't doing turns, schedules would not allow it. BA3 left JFK just when BA1 arrived. BA2 was the overnighting plane.
05-21-2022 | 06:23 PM
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If this is right it's much less than the originally rumored 20% over 3 years. Hopefully this isn't real as it doesn't even make up for inflation. Considering the 5% we're getting anyway from the Covid LOA this is very disappointing if true. I'm holding out hope that it's not.
05-21-2022 | 06:36 PM
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So, to answer your question, it is.
05-21-2022 | 07:29 PM
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Hmmm. 14.6 percent two years from now. As of today, our real incomes have already declined by that amount since 2020. Two years on from today I would guess a further decline of at least an additional 15 percent at the current trend, as no one other than politicians expects the current trend to reverse any time soon, and the smartest out there are saying the real pain hasn’t even started.
So, to answer your question, it is.
So, to answer your question, it is.
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