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Old 05-23-2022 | 01:27 PM
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Originally Posted by AxlF16
Good question. I've heard from LEC and P2P members over the last few years that this is a QOL & work rule focused negotiation. Section 3 compensation would be a 'base hit' vs home run. Also a focus on transferring money from UAL to us 'efficiently' (low/no tax). A lot of that is paraphrased so don't read too much into the language I used.
If they really do that, significantly work on quality of life, work rules, efficient money, that’s exactly what I suggested in my survey.
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Old 05-23-2022 | 01:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Duckdude
If they really do that, significantly work on quality of life, work rules, efficient money, that’s exactly what I suggested in my survey.
well….sounds like you’re the only one who got one, so that’s all they had to work with.

calm down…..it’s a joke
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Old 05-23-2022 | 04:05 PM
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Originally Posted by AxlF16
Good question. I've heard from LEC and P2P members over the last few years that this is a QOL & work rule focused negotiation. Section 3 compensation would be a 'base hit' vs home run. Also a focus on transferring money from UAL to us 'efficiently' (low/no tax). A lot of that is paraphrased so don't read too much into the language I used.
👍this is good info. Thanks.
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Old 05-23-2022 | 04:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Thor
I realize we’re talking about rumors. But leaks being what they are could have some validity.

So, for anyone that’s seen the compensation piece, can you expand on the raises?

It sounds like a 15% raise phased in over 3 years, although some are framing it as a 20% raise. Where is that 20% number coming from?

Again, I haven’t seen any of the leaks.
No its a 2 year contrac with 15% over the next 19 months.
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Old 05-23-2022 | 04:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Chuck D
pays in bitcoin. will upload screenshot shortly
Pay in bitcoin ? We are all millionaires!! Hooray !!
Oh wait - we are all broke now !
Im a millionaire again!! 👍
Broke again 🙁
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Old 05-23-2022 | 04:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Mitch Rapp
👍this is good info. Thanks.
Have heard that as well. The word was the reserve system would draw people to bid it. Also heard the signing of the Pandemic loa reset negotiations. Look, this AIP could been the best thing ever or it could solve a need for the company and provide us a couple extra bucks. Who knows. I do find it quite suspect that a few months ago the union said we were far apart on an agreement and now all of the sudden we have one. What so drastically charged and is there an equal dollar amount to reflect that change?
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Old 05-23-2022 | 05:12 PM
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Originally Posted by TodKindrsChikun
Have heard that as well. The word was the reserve system would draw people to bid it. Also heard the signing of the Pandemic loa reset negotiations. Look, this AIP could been the best thing ever or it could solve a need for the company and provide us a couple extra bucks. Who knows. I do find it quite suspect that a few months ago the union said we were far apart on an agreement and now all of the sudden we have one. What so drastically charged and is there an equal dollar amount to reflect that change?
Cheap 787s available to order…needing reliability for summer…I think when final language comes out we will see the why
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Old 05-23-2022 | 05:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Mkupetz
What are people's thoughts on the fact that the very high inflation rate may cause a recession of some degree and cool off the economy (and thereby probably airline revenue)?

I myself don't see a near term end to inflation, fed reserve has been way too slow.

This is the key point. We are going into a recession, my guess a big one but I’m just another joe blow. Oil prices this high cannot last without a large affect on airlines. There will be consequences.

Factor in all the anti-business/anti-Capitalism policies and things look very bad. How are folks going to travel when they’re gonna have to pay significantly more for food, car fuel and whatever else continues to increase with inflation?

As an optimist I hope for the best but hope is no strategy. Some wiser salty folks on here say hire till you furlough. Who knows.

I’m looking forward to reviewing the verbiage in this first round TA. Maybe it’s sufficient and maybe not. It’s interesting to read the commentary from folks who apparently have been here much longer than I have. At least planes are full for now and maybe we get a slamming 2019 type summer. Good luck to us all.
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Old 05-23-2022 | 06:20 PM
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Originally Posted by TodKindrsChikun
Have heard that as well. The word was the reserve system would draw people to bid it. Also heard the signing of the Pandemic loa reset negotiations. Look, this AIP could been the best thing ever or it could solve a need for the company and provide us a couple extra bucks. Who knows. I do find it quite suspect that a few months ago the union said we were far apart on an agreement and now all of the sudden we have one. What so drastically charged and is there an equal dollar amount to reflect that change?
My assumption is that the pandemic absolutely reset section 1 negotiations. Another assumption is that the company was forced to make some of the 'regional feed' and Aviate moves they were negotiating into section 1.

From MEC emails and P2P discussions it appears that the company wanted to close out negotiations around Dec 21...but wouldn't bring a fat enough check. We (NC) kept saying no dice....need at least X $$$. The company was challenged to invest in the pilot group much like they're investing in CAPEX for future profitability. Some on the mgmnt side got it...and some didn't want to ink a deal that would cost an extra $X million/day when we were still losing $$. The biggest thing preventing a deal was $. Of course they're willing to bring more $ (and we better be asking for more) as the profit forecasts firm up. I don't think it's a coincidence that thus AIP came at the same time as a very rosy picture of 2Q financials. It's probably as simple as that.

I will be looking for the QOL and work rule improvements in addition to rick solid scope (top & bottom) in addition to industry leading pay. I'm expecting to see 'me too' and/or profitability triggers for pay rate increases (like the Delta me too from the contract extension and the 5% trigger in the pandemic loa).

We shall see soon enough!
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Old 05-23-2022 | 09:02 PM
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Originally Posted by TodKindrsChikun
Have heard that as well. The word was the reserve system would draw people to bid it. Also heard the signing of the Pandemic loa reset negotiations. Look, this AIP could been the best thing ever or it could solve a need for the company and provide us a couple extra bucks. Who knows. I do find it quite suspect that a few months ago the union said we were far apart on an agreement and now all of the sudden we have one. What so drastically charged and is there an equal dollar amount to reflect that change?
The union said we were far apart on the remaining 10-15% of the contract that wasn't finished. Nothing to be suspect about or have hysteria over. Geez
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