I completely agree. I'm just weary of reading comments that the AIP's pay is below inflation when no one does and math. Or if they do, they fail to show it.

 

There's always a 'vote NO' contingent. That is the narrative they've chosen to get out in front of ALPA. I agree with your point.

 

Listen, I didn’t come here to flame or anything of the sort. At the same time, no I’m not going to provide the math as it’s blatantly obvious that the contract highs of yesteryear have been eroded by inflation and in a big way as of late with no end in sight.

As those of us with some experience in this profession and industry know, a contract is about the sum of its working parts and not just Section 3 pay rates.

Given the current crunch for experienced pilots I was simply hoping that we could extract about a 40% increase to our rates to keep up with inflation and purchasing power.

I wish all of us collectively success in upholding our profession. Last I was told by my company, I’m accepting a 2.7 billion dollar liability every time we push the thrust levers up. By that measure we are GROSSLY under compensated.

 

Just like ALPA gets out there with shiny videos and pilots to push the yes vote. It goes both ways. The contract should stand on it’s own merits but somehow “we feel”, “time value of money”, “now is not the time”, and “we’ll get ‘em next time” always seems to figure into the conversation.

Hopefully the contract will be presented discussing the changes and that’s it. I seriously doubt that will be the case.

 

C2000 had about those numbers at the amenable date , 2003 IIRC. But they were never seen.

Rounds 1/2 of concessions happened before that.

WB CA was ~190/hr when it was all said and done.

At least the WB got to keep the rigs, NB didn’t.

 

Then you need to light a fire under your NC and get them to get you a new contract ASAP. The last word I read was it won't happen until until after the summer at the earliest. Given how you guys are getting JM'd every month, one would think that you could easily be the first out of the gate with that 40% raise.

I'm not solely about section 3; I need to see what the rest of the contract has. I'll accept a few less dollars per hour for a better QOL. Like no forced JMing.

 

Section 3 is black and white. Easy to judge contract on rates and from what I've seen, United set the bar really low.

 

Well, since 'ALPA' obviously voted in favor of accepting the TA and sending it to MR it's no surprise the overall push is for a 'yes' vote (assuming that's what happens). There is a mechanism whereby dissenting LEC members (if any) can share their opinions with the pilots. I expect the people that negotiated the TA (and supporting SMEs) to provide their negotiating goals and an honest assessment of where they settled on the continuum. You can call that a sell job if you want, but I don't see any way around this process. Just putting the TA out there with no commentary or explanation will not, and should not, ever happen. Unlike some people, I have faith in the pilot group to fairly and objectively evaluate the TA and vote appropriately. I'm not sure which idealistic, fairytale world has all the pilots that never vote in blocks, or based on personal interests? That's the case in EVERY democratic vote.

 

Please share the TA with all of us.

 

and there is a delta guy who did not even have a jumpseat authority till late 90s… remember that?
you were getting the jumpseat from all of us but you could not reciprocate GMAFB
your company was the lowest pay for a while but you don’t talk about that