Originally Posted by AxlF16

I was an A320 LCA for a couple of years...senior lineholder & commuter. They were right up front and said that you have very bad judgement if you are doing it for the money. I did it because I enjoyed the motivation & energy of our new hires. What I liked best was the initial Captain OEs. Our job wasn't/isn't passing out kool-aid and checking for shoe shines & hats.Easily half of my job was showing how to be a good UNION pilot, how to enforce the UPA, and how to mentor other pilots - without being a wet blanket asshat. Most of that burden should fall on the shoulders of line Captains, but most are either too busy chasing money or are so negative that they are ignored. I spent 22+ years as a line pilot with no input or impact. As an LCA I at least had the opportunity to influence new hires and new Captains on how a smart, professional ALPA pilot should conduct their duties.

Originally Posted by Guppydriver95

Too bad the company would like to carve out the “good union pilot” part.

Originally Posted by Guppydriver95

Best job description of an LCA I’ve ever heard. Too bad the company would like to carve out the “good union pilot” part.

Originally Posted by Hedley

...My captain upgrade was more focused on doing the job by the book, knowing the contract, and taking care of the customers and crew, not being a “company man”. I hope that trend continues and they don’t get burnouts willing to suck it up for the override.

Originally Posted by ReadOnly7

well….sounds like you’re the only one who got one, so that’s all they had to work with.

calm down…..it’s a joke

Originally Posted by Duckdude

If they really do that, significantly work on quality of life, work rules, efficient money, that’s exactly what I suggested in my survey.

Originally Posted by Hedley

I wonder how much of a raise it will take to solve the LCA shortage. Most people that sign up do so because they want the job, others avoid it because they don’t. A bigger override will attract some, but the biggest cost that I see is being locked into a schedule once they assign students. You can’t trade into better trips, move days around, or chase premium pay. It will be interesting to see what that section has in it, and who they get to sign up.

Originally Posted by togaflaps

Didn't UAL WB CA back around 2005ish top out at like 330 or 340? Just to get back to those rates we'd 470+/HR just to get back to what was once made. I get where we are and what we are coming from with covid but are people really trying to say getting to just over 400/hr a good thing? If those posted pics are real, there better be some major reworks to work rule language for any hope of that passing.

Originally Posted by WHACKMASTER

From the outside looking in, that seems to be the general sentiment amongst non-UAL pilots. Respectfully, it’s none of our business and we’re not the ones who have to work under your new contract but if that’s going to be market rate going forward then the profession as a whole will have once again lost purchasing power in yet another contract cycle.

Originally Posted by WHACKMASTER

From the outside looking in, that seems to be the general sentiment amongst non-UAL pilots. Respectfully, it’s none of our business and we’re not the ones who have to work under your new contract but if that’s going to be market rate going forward then the profession as a whole will have once again lost purchasing power in yet another contract cycle.

Originally Posted by Andy

OK, where's the math? We know current pay rates. We've got a picture of 2023 pay rates.
We can easily find what inflation was from Jan 2020 to today.
The only question is what does one estimate inflation at from today to one year past the 2023 pay rate. Please list that.
I haven't bothered crunching the numbers but if you're calling this lost purchasing power, show the math. I want hard facts, not a bunch of IFs and MAYBEs.
FWIW, I'm agnostic on this at the moment.