ThumbsUp

That’s kind of the point. Aside from the folks who have made a career of ALPA politics, you’re not going to know these folks in a council as large as C5.

jerryleber

I guess you don't like democratic governance, accountability and elections. Apparently you prefer autocratic rule like Todd and the Toddlers who gave us TA1. Fortunately, 94% of pilots disagree with you on TA1 and the majority wrt recalls.

Guppydriver95

outstanding reply. Those who brought us this garbage TA simply don’t get it.

Chowdah

The fact that when replying to Awax’s post, you took the time to delete the other part of his post which explicitly answers the above question is insulting to anyone reading this thread’s intelligence.

Your aim to straw man and fight any bit of nuanced position with accusations is so thinly veiled, I honestly wonder if you understand that you’re probably doing your cause disservice.

jerryleber

What cause is that? Too funny.

EwrRocks

You literally just proved awax whole point. I guess if one asked a reasonable question you are part of the 6%, love Todd, and love autocrats? Is that correct? SMH.

jerryleber

Not at all because AWAX's premise is absurd because recalls are followed by elections that are not hostage to someone's 'plan'. The pilots decide who is the best candidate. The majority rules. If we were to follow your nonsensical protestations we would never recall anyone no matter how corrupt because elections by their very nature are the antithesis of a plan. Again, that is the nonsense that leads to autocracy that the pilots have almost unanimously rejected. Sorry you all lost your ALPA Int'l meal ticket. Enjoy flying the line.

horrido27

We will agree to disagree.
There was no doubt in my mind that we needed change. You are semi right- no one came out and said "Lets Recall and then Elect me!"
But should they?

I threw my name in the hat for SecTreas after the recall.. but I also did it with the intent that I would serve as Interim if, and only if no one else stepped up.
SS stepped up (also) and he ran a great meeting for the Interim Rep election. He was elected ST and that was good for this pilot group.
We had a few people willing to run and now with full elections in swing, there are a few more (myself included).

Most of us get it. Unionism is Hard. Being a volunteer is Harder and I would imagine that being a Rep is Even Harder.

But to say that it's better to stay with the current crop of individuals (back in the summer) who led us down this road, is acceptable. Agree to disagree.

Always
Motch

hummingbear

In my opinion, the “grade school” mentality is this idea that you can’t make a present decision without having 100% assurance of what its future outcomes will be. Real life requires us to make choices based on our best assessment of the limited information we have available. This is particularly true in representative systems where we only control our own vote & ultimately have to abide by the sometimes contrary voice of the majority. Recalls trigger elections in which we will be tasked collectively with making informed & responsible choices. What’s so hard to understand about that?

Recalling reps is about holding them accountable for their failure to do their most fundamental duty- represent our interests to the company above all else. It takes them out of positions from which they’ve caused us harm & creates consistency of expectations for future reps. It also begins the hard work of electing their replacements & fixing systems of apathy in which we allowed this failure to occur. It is a long process & success is not guaranteed; but that alone isn’t sufficient reason to maintain the status quo. The recent question our pilots have had to ask themselves is whether that hard work & uncertainty is better than sticking with the “devil we know”. For the most part, the majority answer has been “yes”.

UALinIAH

Sorry but that is completely wrong.

“upon the death of the pilot, the funds in the RHA/VEBA can only be used by the surviving spouse and dependent children. If there is not a surviving spouse or there are no eligible dependents, remaining money in the pilot’s RHA/VEBA account is lost and reallocated to current RHA/VEBA plan participants. “