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03-18-2023 | 03:47 AM

#151

Sniper66

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Originally Posted by ugleeual

The hourly pay difference between WB FO and NB CA needs to be $80+ if they want to fill these vacancies.

against alpa ruling
FO must make 70% of what the captain makes on the same aircraft

that will not change ever

03-18-2023 | 05:01 AM

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against alpa ruling
FO must make 70% of what the captain makes on the same aircraft

that will not change ever

Same aircraft? Well, $140 is 53% of $262, so I’m not sure that’s true.

03-18-2023 | 05:03 AM

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horrido27

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Originally Posted by Sniper66

against alpa ruling
FO must make 70% of what the captain makes on the same aircraft

that will not change ever

probably.. but after what we have seen on the ALPA side over these past few years, never say never.
However, thinking out side of the box- a simply Left Seat override for LPV or PTC might be a way to get around the 70%ish rule.
and before you say that’s “impossible”… we do it now for LCA’s and international override.
Anything is possible if you’re willing and looking for a solution to a problem.

Motch

PS) The issue of unfilled Left Seat vacancies is purely a company made problem..
PPS) I will NEVER vote Yes on a deal that steals from Peter to pay Paul.. as we have done in the past.

03-18-2023 | 05:35 AM

#154

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Originally Posted by ugleeual

The hourly pay difference between WB FO and NB CA needs to be $80+ if they want to fill these vacancies.

Or change the RIG/MPD. For the same amount of days off, you’re making more money as a 12 year WBFO than you are as a 12 year NBCA, not to mention a better schedule.

03-18-2023 | 05:56 AM

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Boarding pay would be a “neutral” way to make nbca more attractive

03-18-2023 | 07:10 AM

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Originally Posted by YellowBusMarine

Same aircraft? Well, $140 is 53% of $262, so I’m not sure that’s true.

talking about 12 th year top pay year

03-18-2023 | 07:16 AM

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Boarding pay would be a “neutral” way to make nbca more attractive

pay should start at report time. Why did this industry ever agree to something other than that?

03-18-2023 | 07:42 AM

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pay should start at report time. Why did this industry ever agree to something other than that?

This is in the current ask.

03-18-2023 | 07:50 AM

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Mitch Rapp

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This is in the current ask.

Source?

filler

03-18-2023 | 07:57 AM

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pay should start at report time. Why did this industry ever agree to something other than that?

That is why you have 1 for 2 in your contract. You can certainly ask for pay during every hour on duty but you can expect management will want an entirely new set of pay tables. You will also find rotation construction changes dramatically.