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Old 03-06-2023 | 06:51 PM
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Originally Posted by JoePatroni
That’s because there are three gold stripes.

I will preface my jokes in the future.
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Old 03-06-2023 | 08:27 PM
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Originally Posted by ReadOnly7
Take a closer look at the number of stripes on her shoulder.
Haha. (Laughing at myself)
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Old 03-06-2023 | 11:58 PM
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Originally Posted by kevin18
You’re just banging the drum wherever you can…

outside of your opinion, where do hours equate safety?
Where ? In reality that is where. I think most of us look back at when we had 1500-2000 hours and realize how little we knew. The same pilot at 1500 hours will be a better pilot at 8000. This is because he knows all the same things he knew at 1500 plus all the lessons he has learned since that time. Experience counts and it doesn’t really have a replacement.
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Old 03-07-2023 | 03:04 AM
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Where ? In reality that is where. I think most of us look back at when we had 1500-2000 hours and realize how little we knew. The same pilot at 1500 hours will be a better pilot at 8000. This is because he knows all the same things he knew at 1500 plus all the lessons he has learned since that time. Experience counts and it doesn’t really have a replacement.
No question. But anyone who is surprised by these developments has had their head buried deep in the sand for at least 20 years. We’ve been talking about this moment in the industry since before our legislature decided to kick the can down the road w/ age 65. It’s a simple supply & demand problem. No airline is going to hold out for 8,000 hour pilots when 1,500 hour applicants is all they have.

Would I prefer my FOs come up through thousands upon thousands of hours of instruction, single pilot Part 135 in challenging weather w/ no automation, and jet PIC at the regionals (or a decade plus of military training/operation) like my generation did? You bet I would. But those pilots simply don’t exist in the quantity we need. Again, we’ve been looking forward to & failing to address this problem for decades.

Is there anything we can do at this point? Not directly, no. But each of us is going to have to step up our game in terms of mentorship, vigilance, and adherence to safety. We are not babysitters, but the demands and stresses of this job are going to fundamentally change- that is a fact. Which means we should- through our union- be demanding better compensation, less fatiguing schedules while at work, and more time off in between. I believe the experience we have makes our generation equal to this challenge, but we need those things to ensure burn out does not occur & safety is not compromised as a result. Our company needs to be convinced that such an investment is well worth the benefit of those bent airframes on the daily news saying something other than UAL on them.

And one more thing- the incentive to upgrade needs to be increased. While I’m all for improving RSV, solving the right seat issue by catering only to 1-2 year FOs misses the mark. The left seat should be enticing enough to go senior again; making the most experienced of us the primary mentors to this new crop of pilots while they spend more time cutting their teeth in the right.
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Old 03-07-2023 | 03:10 AM
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How do you guys feel about someone in the left seat of a C-17 with 500 hours total?
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Old 03-07-2023 | 04:16 AM
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Originally Posted by Pilot4000
How do you guys feel about someone in the left seat of a C-17 with 500 hours total?
Perfectly fine given their robust military training.
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Old 03-07-2023 | 04:22 AM
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Originally Posted by Pilot4000
How do you guys feel about someone in the left seat of a C-17 with 500 hours total?
Just fine...as long as I'm not on it. 😁. While I know it's done successfully, 500 hours really is not a lot of time. The only way to get experience, is to experience it.
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Old 03-07-2023 | 04:33 AM
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Originally Posted by Pilot4000
How do you guys feel about someone in the left seat of a C-17 with 500 hours total?

Good thing that's not a thing, at least if you're talking about being the PIC... Not largely far off, though.
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Old 03-07-2023 | 06:14 AM
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Originally Posted by Pilot4000
How do you guys feel about someone in the left seat of a C-17 with 500 hours total?
Unqualified for an R-ATP thus ineligible to apply. Come back in a couple years or do a stint at the regionals to beef up those numbers like many others did.
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Old 03-07-2023 | 06:25 AM
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Originally Posted by Viper25
Perfectly fine given their robust military training.

So someone who gets robust training at 2000 hours can't sit right seat of an Airbus?
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