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03-03-2024 | 04:16 PM
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small math correction. It’s 25%. So 1550 ish of those 6200 are gone. Still an alarming number compared to historical norms.
03-03-2024 | 04:18 PM
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Specifically to TOGALOCK's question. To the best of your ability do you feel it would have been the same outcome if the individual was not awarded a CA in INDOC? In other words did they fail as an FO full stop?, or did they fail as an FO whose happening to be upgrading in a year?
Of course officially there SHOULD NOT be a difference, but I would expect the TK instructors to have at least some type subconscious bias.
Really are you saying that of the 35% of the people hired in the last few years (curious about precise time) are no longer on property. That seems incredibly High. Thats like Spirit and JetBlue like turnover........
Of course officially there SHOULD NOT be a difference, but I would expect the TK instructors to have at least some type subconscious bias.
Really are you saying that of the 35% of the people hired in the last few years (curious about precise time) are no longer on property. That seems incredibly High. Thats like Spirit and JetBlue like turnover........
03-03-2024 | 04:19 PM
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I'm just confused how, from a timing perspective,. recent new hires are already going to upgrade and being fired? The timing doesn't make sense to me. Even if you block 90 hrs/month right after training, you're still looking at a bare minimum of 5-6 months after finishing indoc, and new-hire FO training. How are people already going to upgrade class and getting fired in February 2024?
03-03-2024 | 04:20 PM
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03-03-2024 | 05:24 PM
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It's quite possible I've been living under a rock, but this is the first time I've heard of such a high attrition rate. Why would the union not have highlighted it, especially during negotiations?
03-03-2024 | 05:26 PM
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I still have a hard time believing that a quarter of the new hires pilots that began indoc over the last ~three years are no longer at United. Do you have any reference or at least a rough break out of the reason (resigned to go to DL/AA, training, discipline, ???)?
It's quite possible I've been living under a rock, but this is the first time I've heard of such a high attrition rate. Why would the union not have highlighted it, especially during negotiations?
It's quite possible I've been living under a rock, but this is the first time I've heard of such a high attrition rate. Why would the union not have highlighted it, especially during negotiations?
03-03-2024 | 05:37 PM
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I only hope that the numbers given are inaccurate and we haven't truly hit the bottom that hard.
03-03-2024 | 05:39 PM
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Curious...as one of the guys who will be bidding 737A if it's still available to newhires about 5 weeks from now, it's my understanding that the new hire CA thing only started last year, yes? And the contract specifies that you must first pass probationary CQ and have 500 hours before going to charm school.
I'm just confused how, from a timing perspective,. recent new hires are already going to upgrade and being fired? The timing doesn't make sense to me. Even if you block 90 hrs/month right after training, you're still looking at a bare minimum of 5-6 months after finishing indoc, and new-hire FO training. How are people already going to upgrade class and getting fired in February 2024?
I'm just confused how, from a timing perspective,. recent new hires are already going to upgrade and being fired? The timing doesn't make sense to me. Even if you block 90 hrs/month right after training, you're still looking at a bare minimum of 5-6 months after finishing indoc, and new-hire FO training. How are people already going to upgrade class and getting fired in February 2024?
03-03-2024 | 05:50 PM
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I think what you're saying is 'newbs' in this case means "guys who have joined since 2021" as opposed to "guys who got assigned CA in NH training." So that would make perfect sense.
I dunno...I've only ever worked at one 121 airline but in my experience you had to be a complete numnuts who refused to study, in order to get fired from training. So who knows. Personally I found CA training to really not be about the airplane or flying, but about decisionmaking and CRM, and those skills are arguably harder to teach than how to fly an ILS.
Still, I'm utterly gobsmacked that 25% of UAL hires over the past 3 years are no longer with the company.
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