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Old 10-29-2024 | 07:51 PM
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Originally Posted by jerryleber
And yet United serves more destinations than any other carrier and is one of three that are profitable.
Yes, United serves a lot of destinations, and yes United is profitable.

United COULD serve more destinations and COULD be more profitable.
Old 10-30-2024 | 02:55 AM
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Originally Posted by iahflyr
United COULD serve more destinations and COULD be more profitable.
The costs have risen significantly at the regionals making fewer such routes/markets profitable. How about we leave it to the folks who have turned United around to decide which to serve.
Old 10-30-2024 | 04:16 AM
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I asked chatgpt what airspace class was associated with each market United had left. Looks correct to a quick perusal. I don't think they lose a lot of revenue leaving a Delta. The Charlie's you could argue about.
  • Texarkana, Arkansas - Class D
  • Flagstaff, Arizona - Class D
  • Santa Rosa, California - Class C
  • Stockton, California - Class C
  • Alamosa, Colorado - Class E
  • Pueblo, Colorado - Class D
  • Destin-Fort Walton Beach, Florida - Class C
  • Tallahassee, Florida - Class C
  • Twin Falls, Idaho - Class D
  • Springfield, Illinois - Class D
  • Evansville, Indiana - Class D
  • Paducah, Kentucky - Class D
  • Alexandria, Louisiana - Class D
  • Monroe, Louisiana - Class D
  • Kalamazoo, Michigan - Class D
  • Lansing, Michigan - Class D
  • Muskegon, Michigan - Class D
  • Rochester, Minnesota - Class D
  • Cape Girardeau, Missouri - Class D
  • Columbia, Missouri - Class D
  • Fort Leonard Wood, Missouri - Class D
  • Kearney, Nebraska - Class D
  • Ogdensburg, New York - Class D
  • Plattsburgh, New York - Class D
  • Erie, Pennsylvania - Class D
  • Pierre, South Dakota - Class D
  • Watertown, South Dakota - Class D
  • Abilene, Texas - Class D
  • College Station, Texas - Class D
  • Killeen, Texas - Class D
  • San Angelo, Texas - Class D
  • Shenandoah, Virginia - Class D
  • Everett, Washington - Class D
  • Clarksburg, West Virginia - Class D
  • Lewisburg, West Virginia - Class D
  • Eau Claire, Wisconsin - Class D
  • Wausau, Wisconsin - Class D
Old 10-30-2024 | 04:30 AM
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Originally Posted by VacancyBid
I asked chatgpt what airspace class was associated with each market United had left. Looks correct to a quick perusal. I don't think they lose a lot of revenue leaving a Delta. The Charlie's you could argue about.
  • Texarkana, Arkansas - Class D
  • Flagstaff, Arizona - Class D
  • Santa Rosa, California - Class C
  • Stockton, California - Class C
  • Alamosa, Colorado - Class E
  • Pueblo, Colorado - Class D
  • Destin-Fort Walton Beach, Florida - Class C
  • Tallahassee, Florida - Class C
  • Twin Falls, Idaho - Class D
  • Springfield, Illinois - Class D
  • Evansville, Indiana - Class D
  • Paducah, Kentucky - Class D
  • Alexandria, Louisiana - Class D
  • Monroe, Louisiana - Class D
  • Kalamazoo, Michigan - Class D
  • Lansing, Michigan - Class D
  • Muskegon, Michigan - Class D
  • Rochester, Minnesota - Class D
  • Cape Girardeau, Missouri - Class D
  • Columbia, Missouri - Class D
  • Fort Leonard Wood, Missouri - Class D
  • Kearney, Nebraska - Class D
  • Ogdensburg, New York - Class D
  • Plattsburgh, New York - Class D
  • Erie, Pennsylvania - Class D
  • Pierre, South Dakota - Class D
  • Watertown, South Dakota - Class D
  • Abilene, Texas - Class D
  • College Station, Texas - Class D
  • Killeen, Texas - Class D
  • San Angelo, Texas - Class D
  • Shenandoah, Virginia - Class D
  • Everett, Washington - Class D
  • Clarksburg, West Virginia - Class D
  • Lewisburg, West Virginia - Class D
  • Eau Claire, Wisconsin - Class D
  • Wausau, Wisconsin - Class D
good find. At least 10 of those that I'm familiar with are 1-2 hour drive from an airport that UAL does serve in some capacity. A couple of those were EAS. I Guess they figured out the price point that keeps enough people feeding the hubs from reasonable sized airports. That makes sense and seems smart. More infrequent customers from that list and generally speaking less spendy when they do fly. What's weird is AAs model doubles down on places like this.
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Originally Posted by iahflyr
Here are the domestic cities United has cut service to since 2020. Most of these are served by a competitor.
  • Texarkana, Arkansas
  • Flagstaff, Arizona
  • Santa Rosa, California
  • Stockton, California
  • Alamosa, Colorado
  • Pueblo, Colorado
  • Destin-Fort Walton Beach, Florida
  • Tallahassee, Florida
  • Twin Falls, Idaho
  • Springfield, Illinois
  • Evansville, Indiana
  • Paducah, Kentucky
  • Alexandria, Louisiana
  • Monroe, Louisiana
  • Kalamazoo, Michigan
  • Lansing, Michigan
  • Muskegon, Michigan
  • Rochester, Minnesota
  • Cape Girardeau, Missouri
  • Columbia, Missouri
  • Fort Leonard Wood, Missouri
  • Kearney, Nebraska
  • Ogdensburg, New York
  • Plattsburgh, New York
  • Erie, Pennsylvania
  • Pierre, South Dakota
  • Watertown, South Dakota
  • Abilene, Texas
  • College Station, Texas
  • Killeen, Texas
  • San Angelo, Texas
  • Shenandoah, Virginia
  • Everett, Washington
  • Clarksburg, West Virginia
  • Lewisburg, West Virginia
  • Eau Claire, Wisconsin
  • Wausau, Wisconsin

I removed Hilo, Hawaii as that was actually mainline service.
With the exception of Destin, Tallahassee…. These cities are tiny as hell and will not make a dent on the bottom line serving or leaving these markets…:

Paducah? Clarksburg? College Station (those Aggies will drive…), Alexandria?….
Old 10-30-2024 | 06:43 AM
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Originally Posted by jerryleber
How about we leave it to the folks who have turned United around to decide which to serve.
I agree. United leadership wanted to raise the MTOW of the CRJ-550 by 4,000lbs, but the union kneecapped that plan.

I don’t want more 76 seaters. I don’t want 50 seaters flying routes like EWR-ATL as they were in 2010.

I do want premium configured 50 seaters to fly from United hubs to these small airports (which cannot support mainline flights) that are served by our competitors. Without that, these passengers will fly our competitors instead.
Old 10-30-2024 | 07:07 AM
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Originally Posted by iahflyr

I do want premium configured 50 seaters to fly from United hubs to these small airports (which cannot support mainline flights) that are served by our competitors. Without that, these passengers will fly our competitors instead.
No problem. Recertify it as the CRJ-600 with a higher MTOW and bring it to mainline and fly it with mainline pilots. Now you have more destinations and more mainline pilot jobs, everyone wins.
Old 10-30-2024 | 07:41 AM
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Originally Posted by iahflyr
I agree. United leadership wanted to raise the MTOW of the CRJ-550 by 4,000lbs, but the union kneecapped that plan.

I don’t want more 76 seaters. I don’t want 50 seaters flying routes like EWR-ATL as they were in 2010.

I do want premium configured 50 seaters to fly from United hubs to these small airports (which cannot support mainline flights) that are served by our competitors. Without that, these passengers will fly our competitors instead.
Tell me you are management and not a pilot without telling me that you are management.
Old 10-30-2024 | 07:47 AM
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Originally Posted by AF OneWire
Tell me you are management and not a pilot without telling me that you are management.
No kidding. What a ridiculous choice of words. “Kneecapped that plan”. lol. Management propaganda for sure. What ALPA did was hold the line on scope, as they should have, per membership direction. Shockingly, we’re still doing well despite Kirby’s inability to outsource more of our flying.
Old 10-30-2024 | 08:37 AM
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Originally Posted by iahflyr
I agree. United leadership wanted to raise the MTOW of the CRJ-550 by 4,000lbs, but the union kneecapped that plan. I don’t want more 76 seaters.
A lot of "I"s in your post. Our union is about we and it rightfully didn't reward the company for their end running of our scope clause with the CRJ-550. The company also wanted 303 additional UAX 76 Seaters to which our union said no prior to Covid. We did them a favor. They can't help themselves sometimes when it comes to outsourcing. Just ask Boeing.
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