Leather Jackets dead on May 28th
#41
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Oh yeah....gee I never thought of that. That's probably why all the ACMI carriers who go to shady foreign countries require that.............Oh Thats right They DON'T
#42
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Their choice, their attitude.
recall the NWA airbus pilots that fell asleep ? They made life much harder on themselves with a bad attitude.
Problem in this current culture of hyper individualism, one clown can ruin it for everyone.
#43
well the good news is Starbucks baristas agree with you so you can walk out and join their fight. They are willing to loose their job over having to wear a black Tee Shirt, how about you?
#44
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The NWA pilots fell asleep. Sort of a fatigue issue NOT a Uniform issue. HUGE difference
MY views on our policy is not a bad attitude it is an opinion about something that we are often THE ONLY (spoilers mentioned Delta's policy) carrier to still have. So I am merely drawing attention to the fact that it really isn't Industry standard anymore.
What I have learned here is that the White Shoe Image of our uniform policy is something that is very sacred to many of our pilots.......and if serving on the uniform committee rest assured that the HAT will never disappear ...I would always protect your right to wear it. It's just that it should not be forced on others. Thats ALL.
#45
Hahaha nice one guys. I'm merely pointing out spoilers deploy argument about looking professional in the case of trouble with a foreign government is pretty weak sauce. The best prevention technique for that would be adherence to FOM and WOM.
The NWA pilots fell asleep. Sort of a fatigue issue NOT a Uniform issue. HUGE difference
MY views on our policy is not a bad attitude it is an opinion about something that we are often THE ONLY (spoilers mentioned Delta's policy) carrier to still have. So I am merely drawing attention to the fact that it really isn't Industry standard anymore.
What I have learned here is that the White Shoe Image of our uniform policy is something that is very sacred to many of our pilots.......and if serving on the uniform committee rest assured that the HAT will never disappear ...I would always protect your right to wear it. It's just that it should not be forced on others. Thats ALL.
The NWA pilots fell asleep. Sort of a fatigue issue NOT a Uniform issue. HUGE difference
MY views on our policy is not a bad attitude it is an opinion about something that we are often THE ONLY (spoilers mentioned Delta's policy) carrier to still have. So I am merely drawing attention to the fact that it really isn't Industry standard anymore.
What I have learned here is that the White Shoe Image of our uniform policy is something that is very sacred to many of our pilots.......and if serving on the uniform committee rest assured that the HAT will never disappear ...I would always protect your right to wear it. It's just that it should not be forced on others. Thats ALL.
#46
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My shop lets us wear board shorts and flip flops on cargo-only flights. But they seem to have some strong preferences for image out in public in the terminal.
#47
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Hahaha nice one guys. I'm merely pointing out spoilers deploy argument about looking professional in the case of trouble with a foreign government is pretty weak sauce. The best prevention technique for that would be adherence to FOM and WOM.
The NWA pilots fell asleep. Sort of a fatigue issue NOT a Uniform issue. HUGE difference
MY views on our policy is not a bad attitude it is an opinion about something that we are often THE ONLY (spoilers mentioned Delta's policy) carrier to still have. So I am merely drawing attention to the fact that it really isn't Industry standard anymore.
What I have learned here is that the White Shoe Image of our uniform policy is something that is very sacred to many of our pilots.......and if serving on the uniform committee rest assured that the HAT will never disappear ...I would always protect your right to wear it. It's just that it should not be forced on others. Thats ALL.
The NWA pilots fell asleep. Sort of a fatigue issue NOT a Uniform issue. HUGE difference
MY views on our policy is not a bad attitude it is an opinion about something that we are often THE ONLY (spoilers mentioned Delta's policy) carrier to still have. So I am merely drawing attention to the fact that it really isn't Industry standard anymore.
What I have learned here is that the White Shoe Image of our uniform policy is something that is very sacred to many of our pilots.......and if serving on the uniform committee rest assured that the HAT will never disappear ...I would always protect your right to wear it. It's just that it should not be forced on others. Thats ALL.
your year of hire?
#48
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If you talk to a member ot the public who mentions anything about their pilot’s appearance it will only be one of two things:
1.They will mention if said Pilot is obese.
2. They will mention if their pilot was anything BUT a white male.
There will be no mention of short or long sleeve, hat or no hat, blazer or no blazer, sweater or all weather jacket. They notice the epaulets but they don’t realize that it correlates to any type of hierarchy.
They just Don’t ok……that’s fine that you take pride in your appearance, and I can’t say that I don’t, nor do encourage I anyone to not adhere to uniform policy.
I’m curious about what you think about NATCA? Have you ever done a tour of a tower or a TRACON?
Did you feel less safe once you saw everyone in there dressed like they were going to Costco?
1.They will mention if said Pilot is obese.
2. They will mention if their pilot was anything BUT a white male.
There will be no mention of short or long sleeve, hat or no hat, blazer or no blazer, sweater or all weather jacket. They notice the epaulets but they don’t realize that it correlates to any type of hierarchy.
They just Don’t ok……that’s fine that you take pride in your appearance, and I can’t say that I don’t, nor do encourage I anyone to not adhere to uniform policy.
I’m curious about what you think about NATCA? Have you ever done a tour of a tower or a TRACON?
Did you feel less safe once you saw everyone in there dressed like they were going to Costco?
#49
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Trust is “artificial” with the commonality of the FM/FOM/UPA, company ID and uniform.
if one of dudes at 5am was using the wrong FM something would be suspect.
This is why pilots who don’t care about the uniform or have a negative attitude create resentment.
#50
International trips require the coat and hat in summer. Its hot AF wearing that…
Delta doesn’t…. After a 8+ hour flight… the Deltoids look like crap.. the “I slept in my clothes and haven’t been home in 24h” look.
United pilots look professional. So there is that.
The other reason is …. If a crew gets sideways with a foreign government, looking professional is highly advantageous.
This has been happening for 100 years, there is nothing new here.
Delta doesn’t…. After a 8+ hour flight… the Deltoids look like crap.. the “I slept in my clothes and haven’t been home in 24h” look.
United pilots look professional. So there is that.
The other reason is …. If a crew gets sideways with a foreign government, looking professional is highly advantageous.
This has been happening for 100 years, there is nothing new here.
If you’re going to that sweet overnight in Lincoln NE and want to look cool in your leather jacket, then go for it bro. Whatever you think makes you look cool. I won’t get in trouble for wearing what I’m paid a lot of money to wear. If it’s the hill you die on, I fare thee well.
most of the leather pilot jackets look like a Hefty bag full of trash. I have never once thought someone wearing one looks like a true aviator/sky god/cool guy.
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