Interesting statement. When the Magenta Line was posted on this forum, many of the UAL posters attacked Jayson like a rabid dog. HE DIDN'T post it, and it was for HIS constituents, yet he was fair game. Now that Wendy has her comments posted, the CAL pilots are supposed to play nice and pay hommage to her? Seems kind of hypocritical to me. I do find it a bit funny that MOST of the UAL pilots would get a significant payraise if they were given the current CAL payrates, but now they think they should make a lot MORE than us. I'm pretty sure if UAL had merged with USAirways, they'd be hoping they could KEEP their current payrates and not take FURTHER paycuts..........JMHO

 

Quite frankly, I don't even care who wins this little battle. As Alan Sheppard said... "Fix your little problems and LIGHT THIS CANDLE"

 

It's not about 'attack and conquer' at all. The reason she went public was frusration with a certain loud-mouthed LEC rep in EWR going public first. Once he published that Magenta Line, an easy solution was lost because he publicly called out the UAL MEC. They couldn't compromise without losing face. If he had acted like a grownup maybe an amicable settlement could have been quietly reached and we pilots would have been none the wiser. HE undermined the process and hurt all of us.

If you have a problem with someone negotiating in public, call that rep.

Now this is all one big public soap opera. I am going to get some popcorn and settle in for the (probably lengthy) show.

 

So if someone acts childish then it is okay to do the same? I am not say CAL did but if it was perceived by UA that way, then why repeat and/or increase the name calling? My kids get in trouble for this behavior.

 

"We are currently employing several strategies to help resolve this conundrum, and are prepared to utilize all resources under ALPA merger policy, including appealing to the president of the Association and the ALPA National Executive Council to help move the process forward, as provided for in ALPA merger policy. Even so, the Continental MEC and master chairman have publicly stated that they will refuse to abide by ALPA merger policy if the decision goes against them."

This section was lifted from a similar, if more harshly worded, message from two of our LEC VC's. Can any CAL guys/gals confirm that this is/is not the case? And if so, why? It would seem to me that ALPA's Executive Council deciding this issue could be an adequate solution since we both are members. I hope this isn't going to turn into another USAirways.

BOTH sides need to quit with the politics and put forth a United front (pun intended). This is not what I want my 2% to be spent on.

 

The most reasoned approach would be to use the pre JCBA pilot group conditions for the SLI. Is this not the point of of the ALPA plan? Get everyone paid, get new work rules, get all the furloughed back to work, then do the SLI. I thought the whole point was to keep the JCBA from affecting the SLI so we could work together to have the best contract in the industry.

 

Significant pay raise, I think just looking quick it would be around $3 per increase where I am sitting unless I have your payrates wrong. Wow and should we throw in your work rules? No thanks. As far as Wendy making her comments posted, did she do that, no she sent us an e-mail to keep us informed.
I am just trying to sit back and let the process play out but of you coming on here like your words are gospel. Let it play out and try for the best for our entire group. JMHO

 

So this measured response is to a local council rep's newsletter to his constituents? Makes me doubt the capabilities of the leadership over there. And what about the splunk put out by that little Marco guy that is an FO barely on the active seniority list touting career expectations. Actually, we may need him during the SLI arbitration.

The magenta line and the fiery rhetoric came when Jason came out of the Denver conference. He said the arrogance from the ual side completely validated the sterotype created decades ago when ual publicly called themselves the brain surgeons of the industry and continental was just general practioners. He stated that the banding arguments were pure attempts for seniority grabs. And since ual had such a bigger windfall from percent increase in pay rates to match cal anyway, enough was enough. You all can say the arbitrators will look at this or that don't have a roomful of lawyers briefing you. I guess if it was cut and dried then we wouldn't need an arbitrator and we would just plug the list into a computer program.

This is exactly what I posted a month ago. This is why kumbaya doesn't work. This is why we let the elected leadership and negotiators do their job. I bet the ual guys got a feeling that their mec is really fighting for them now after a fiery letter. Just like the magenta line did.

The one problem Wendy is why can't you get your own people all going the same direction. I mean the jnc approved a compensation proposal and now she doesn't like it? Didn't the ual mec put those people on the jnc? Don't they communicate? Now that she doesn't like the outcome she publicly calls out the cal mec. Seems like amateur hour over there. My gut feeling is ual wants the pat raises of a new contract faster than the cal guys. Seems like the ual mec was lovey dovey with the cal side when we agreed to hire their pilots from furlough.

I told you kumbaya wouldn't work. Our career expectations were each much different when the merger was announced. Apparently we are just each delusional as to which was better. My guess is that Wendy will be getting a lot of emails saying "just get this fukxr done!". Our message boards have pages of replies stating "take your time guys, no hurry". We can fly under our contract and our equipment indefinitely. As long as the creep of dozens of ual no scope 70 seaters aren't officially let into our base. Even the furloughed ual guys won't be in a hurry because they will be flying for cal very soon.

I've said many times we can hold hands when we are done. But every number and every dollar is at stake now and it will be ugly. No hard feelings.

 

Not hypocritical at all. I'm just pointing out that this was not a "public" message. bearcat wrote, "However, why does Wendy attack and conquer in public?"
Parse the message as you might, but don't mischaracterize this as anything other than the MC keeping the UAL pilots apprised of the current situation. It's a small point, but one that I thought was worth pointing out.
We can discuss the facts, but there is no reason mischaracterize the letter as anything other than what is.

That's some twisted logic.

Hog

 

Well, since ALPA is turning into an RJ union and catering to them, maybe we better start an in-house union.