Scope and the JCBA
07-06-2011 | 10:06 PM
#91
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I will always support our fuloughed pilots in any way possible, yes even flying the rj's.
07-07-2011 | 02:43 AM
#92
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Hey brother,
You are NOT lowly. I was a former commuter guy, mostly T-Props, but flew RJ's when they first came on line in the late 90's. Two furloughs later, I am presented with an opportunity/invitation to be your co-pilot in lieu of being furloughed.....this industry is beyond f'd up. The problem is, who thought 10 or so years ago that we would be faced with 70+seat RJ's with two class seating and crews paid welfare wages? That is management's wet dream. Even frequent flyer friends of mine don't mind the big RJ's. They like the 2x2 seating, etc. The serious problem and bottom line is twofold......1. The mainline guys need to stand firm and hold the line when it comes to scope issues....and 2. RJ guys need to DEMAND more for what they do, which is essentially the same job we all do, just on smaller aircraft. If we have RJ pilots willing to work at 18 or 20 $ an hour (co-pilots of course) and captains willing to work for not much more, WE ARE ALL SCREWED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Come on EVERYONE.......Let's get what we ALL deserve!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You are NOT lowly. I was a former commuter guy, mostly T-Props, but flew RJ's when they first came on line in the late 90's. Two furloughs later, I am presented with an opportunity/invitation to be your co-pilot in lieu of being furloughed.....this industry is beyond f'd up. The problem is, who thought 10 or so years ago that we would be faced with 70+seat RJ's with two class seating and crews paid welfare wages? That is management's wet dream. Even frequent flyer friends of mine don't mind the big RJ's. They like the 2x2 seating, etc. The serious problem and bottom line is twofold......1. The mainline guys need to stand firm and hold the line when it comes to scope issues....and 2. RJ guys need to DEMAND more for what they do, which is essentially the same job we all do, just on smaller aircraft. If we have RJ pilots willing to work at 18 or 20 $ an hour (co-pilots of course) and captains willing to work for not much more, WE ARE ALL SCREWED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Come on EVERYONE.......Let's get what we ALL deserve!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Nothing is over until we decide it is! Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? Hell no!
A little Animal House humor to drive my point home. Let's go boys and girls, the time is now. RJ's need to be paid respectable wages if mainline guys are to be paid respectable wages. That is the reason management LOVES THE RJ'S SO MUCH! RJ guys can't just say they are with us, they need to be the ones to shut it down! Won't ever happen though........and there in lies the problem. Sorry all, I am on a rant and will go have another beer and shut up now. Peace.
220, 221......whatever it takes!
A little Animal House humor to drive my point home. Let's go boys and girls, the time is now. RJ's need to be paid respectable wages if mainline guys are to be paid respectable wages. That is the reason management LOVES THE RJ'S SO MUCH! RJ guys can't just say they are with us, they need to be the ones to shut it down! Won't ever happen though........and there in lies the problem. Sorry all, I am on a rant and will go have another beer and shut up now. Peace.
220, 221......whatever it takes!
Each airline should only be allowed one certificate to operate with thier own paint job and single pilot list by FAR. I know pipe dream. That way if passengers are flying on subcontracted work they will notice the different paint and maybe ask questions. Like, "If I paid for a Continental aircraft and experienced crew, why am I flying on JOE BOB'S Airservice/Flight school?"
07-07-2011 | 06:07 AM
#93
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From: Line Pilot
This is why scope should be 100%. If it is a flight on a UniCon ticket or the aircraft is painted in UniCon colors then the pilots must be on the UniCon pilot list, PERIOD.
Each airline should only be allowed one certificate to operate with thier own paint job and single pilot list by FAR. I know pipe dream. That way if passengers are flying on subcontracted work they will notice the different paint and maybe ask questions. Like, "If I paid for a Continental aircraft and experienced crew, why am I flying on JOE BOB'S Airservice/Flight school?"
Each airline should only be allowed one certificate to operate with thier own paint job and single pilot list by FAR. I know pipe dream. That way if passengers are flying on subcontracted work they will notice the different paint and maybe ask questions. Like, "If I paid for a Continental aircraft and experienced crew, why am I flying on JOE BOB'S Airservice/Flight school?"
We have these kids willing to get their big airline gig by paying for training and working for welfare wages with 1000 hours total time.(if that)
That drives me crazy as I sit home furloughed for a second time and watch RJ's fly ORD to IAH. But I say again, the RJ's and subcontracting to Republic and SkyWest are a management's dream come true. As long as we let them do it.
SCOPE, SCOPE, SCOPE!!!!!!
07-07-2011 | 06:30 AM
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From: 737 CA
This is why scope should be 100%. If it is a flight on a UniCon ticket or the aircraft is painted in UniCon colors then the pilots must be on the UniCon pilot list, PERIOD.
Each airline should only be allowed one certificate to operate with thier own paint job and single pilot list by FAR. I know pipe dream. That way if passengers are flying on subcontracted work they will notice the different paint and maybe ask questions. Like, "If I paid for a Continental aircraft and experienced crew, why am I flying on JOE BOB'S Airservice/Flight school?"
Each airline should only be allowed one certificate to operate with thier own paint job and single pilot list by FAR. I know pipe dream. That way if passengers are flying on subcontracted work they will notice the different paint and maybe ask questions. Like, "If I paid for a Continental aircraft and experienced crew, why am I flying on JOE BOB'S Airservice/Flight school?"
07-07-2011 | 06:36 AM
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This is why scope should be 100%. If it is a flight on a UniCon ticket or the aircraft is painted in UniCon colors then the pilots must be on the UniCon pilot list, PERIOD.
Each airline should only be allowed one certificate to operate with thier own paint job and single pilot list by FAR. I know pipe dream. That way if passengers are flying on subcontracted work they will notice the different paint and maybe ask questions. Like, "If I paid for a Continental aircraft and experienced crew, why am I flying on JOE BOB'S Airservice/Flight school?"
Each airline should only be allowed one certificate to operate with thier own paint job and single pilot list by FAR. I know pipe dream. That way if passengers are flying on subcontracted work they will notice the different paint and maybe ask questions. Like, "If I paid for a Continental aircraft and experienced crew, why am I flying on JOE BOB'S Airservice/Flight school?"
Yes, especially since we saw the company's true colors when they lost the grievance in Houston
and just flipped the judge the bird by changing the operator id of the flights.
The door has to be shut.
07-08-2011 | 06:26 AM
#96
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Again, lost the grievance because they put the CO code on the flights. Like it or not they are taking advantage of the wording in our scope clause by operating these as UA flights. They didn't flip the arbitrator the bird. It's just creative use of current agreements I hate to say. Why do you think they moved so quickly to marry the two customer websites for ticketing purchases? I hate it. You hate it. Unfortunately there is nothing in our scope language that prevents it.
07-11-2011 | 10:32 AM
#97
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To everyone else - thanks for the support and kind words. I am trying to think of some sort of 'No Scope Relief' stickers to come up with.
07-17-2011 | 07:41 AM
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Do you really think all of us want bigger RJ's? I don't feel like spending the rest of my career flying at a regional.
07-17-2011 | 09:34 AM
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Keep it in mind if you want to don't really care what you think!
