I glansed at this trip in skynet and noticed its an 8 day trip. I thought the UAL contract prohibits more than 7 consecutive days away from domicile!? Is that not the case anymore?

Operates: Only on Tue 08Nov2011

10:07
1 Tu 891 LAX-NRT 11:37 16:35 11h58 XI
17:05
17:00
3 Th 891 NRT-ICN 18:30 21:20 2h50 XQ
21:50
10:45
4 Fr 890 ICN-NRT 12:15 14:25 2h10 XQ
14:55
17:00
5 Sa 881 NRT-BKK 18:30 23:40 7h10 XI
00:10
05:40
7 Mo 882 BKK-NRT 07:10 14:55 5h45 XI
15:25
16:15
8 Tu 890 NRT-LAX 17:45 10:25 9h40 XI
10:55

Duty Summary

Duty 13h58
Block 11h58
Rest 23h55
Duty 4h50
Block 2h50
Rest 12h55
Duty 4h10
Block 2h10
Rest 26h05
Duty 9h10
Block 7h10
Rest 29h30
Duty 7h45
Block 5h45
Rest 24h50
Duty 11h40
Block 9h40
Rest -

Trip Length: 8
TAFB: 168h48

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consecutive calendar days.

 

International has it's own Hours of Service section. Section 22 or LOA 91-02 is where you want to look.

Sled

 

 

From the CAL Contract, Section 12.3.B:

"A Domestic and an International Pilot must be given twenty-four (24) consecutive hours off in any seven (7) consecutive Calendar Days provided as follows:

1. A Domestic Pilot must be given the twenty-four (24) hours off at his Base. Every effort will be made to provide a Day Off.
2. An International Pilot on duty for more than six (6) Calendar Days may receive a twenty-four (24) hour break during a Pairing."

Same domestic provision on the CAL side, except the CAL contract states that an effort will be made to give those 24 hours off as a calendar day. Don't see that required attempt in the UAL language quoted above.

 

The bottom line is: This trip goes against all that UAL pilots are accustomed to, we got rid of trips like this in the interest of safety many years ago. In fact, Singapore and Bangkok turns at 6 days were already dangerous enough (ask IAD crews). Yet this is another proof that the current management may be worse than under Tilton and I never thought I would ever say that! Junior pilots get ready. This trip is not going to to make you happy.

 

What if it is 24 hours off in the sandbox south of the equator, doesn't make a difference as far as I can see for QWL. Still aint the same as 24 hours off at home domicile.

 

Who are these domestic pilots at CAL? At any point off to PTY, CCS or POS and you are now a International pilot and consecutive days continue.

 

iadfo and Beeker,

I agree. However, LeeMat's response implied that the provision was better than CAL's and prevented the 12+ days in a row for domestic operations. I was just pointing out that CAL too has both a domestic and an international requirement for 24 hours off. CAL's is just like UAL's domestically: 24 hours off in base w/ an attempt for it to be a calendar day. Internationally, the rest can be downline at an outstation.

All of us at CAL know as soon as we go to an "international" destination and have a 24-hour layover, a pilot could be in for a world of hurt going forward. Was not debating that premise at all.

 

One calendar day off in seven. Arriving at home from an ID at 1700 and going out the next day at 1800 does not count at UAL...It has to be a calendar day off in seven domestic

 

I'm guessing there is a separate provision that specifically states you cannot do what you mentioned and not the one quoted before.

That is the way our trips and schedules have to be built as well. It would not count, unless of course there is an international leg on the trip somewhere. The 756 community is used to trips back-to-back because of the international, down line rest provision. The 737 group does not see this as much when schedules are built.

Unfortunately, at CAL there are movable days off on reserve. So where that would come in to play is if the company needs to "roll" a day off past the sixth day. Somewhere on the sixth day or before a reserve would be given 24-hours off in base and then a trip assignment after the break. This, of course, assumes we are talking about trips with only domestic flying in them.