In relation to their UAL seniority.

 

If L-CAL hires off the street, what does their crew badge say? "UNITED"
What does their paycheck say? "UNITED"
What does the airplane they'll be flying have painted on it? "UNITED"
Who's air carrier certificate are they operating under? "UNITED"
Who has over 1400 UNITED PILOTS on Furlough? "UNITED"
"This is Wrong!!!!" It's technically an ALPA carrier operating under a SOC as United Airlines, hiring off the street while over 1400 UNITED ALPA Pilots are on furlough.....really?

 

To clear up some of your confusion......

My D/D Paycheck, as recent as Oct 1st 2012, still says....."CONTINENTAL AIR DES:PAYROLL ID"

As far as the "Operating Certificate" of the merged carrier, it's actually CAL's old operating certificate.

 

Untill (Dec 2011 or early 2012) we were both operating under Continental's operating certificate.United gets FAA single operating certificate | Reuters

The certificate we operate under now is not United's old operating certicate but a reissued certificate issued by the FAA that covers both carriers under a signle serificate for UCH not UAL.

 

And to clear up even more: what does the side of your aircraft say and what radio call-sign do you use? Is this different than any other UCH pilot?

Internally we sure know the difference between CAL and UAL but as far as UCH is concerned the merger is complete and we are simply the right pocket or left pocket on the same pair of pants.

 

what's it matter! It's one single certificate. Are you a new hire off the street? No! So give me a break. My point is that it is wrong for either side to hire off the street with over 1400 ALPA pilots that will be flying under that certificate on furlough. Management shifted the flying around that caused the need on the CAL side and it's only one management, isn't it?

 

datake,

I understand the frustration over the issue. However, don't confuse the SOC with the fact that there are still two separate groups under their own CBA's. That's the real discriminator here regarding the ability for CAL to hire off the street. Right or wrong, the preferential hiring offer has been made to all furloughs and those that bypassed can reenter the fight as I decided to do recently.

Now, unlike what someone said regarding BOTH JCBA and SLI having to be done, the provisions of the TPA expire and the two groups become one on the effective date of the JCBA. TPA even says basically that. At that time, rights to openings for the "whole" UAL then become the right of the furloughees. Not before.

The SLI is not a player in that process regarding recall. The SLI, for all purposes, is really an ALPA internal thing. The parties have agreed to a no "bump/flush" agreement regarding SLI implementation when it is agreed to. Any affect will be forward looking from that point.

Man, none of it is necessarily right, it just is. I wish the TPA prevented what is going on, but sadly, it was written by some folks that were short sighted given the fact a JCBA was to be in place Oct of 2010.....

Frats,
Lee

 

I get it... Makes me sick.. Don't worry they're discussing it in Florida.

 

The good thing is, by the end of the year almost 10% of the CAL pilots will be UAL pilots.

 

What would be even better is 100% UAL pilots under a JCBA.

Lee