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Old 01-29-2013, 03:36 PM
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This is why I applied to Continental Airlines. As a 2005 I was projected to be at 50 percent on the seniority list in ten years. This was before any merger!

I am currently at 66 percent and can hold 737 captain at any of our domiciles. Don't care to fly a widebody never did.

I hope the ISL is fair and equatable!
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Old 01-29-2013, 03:58 PM
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junior captains

cle, 9/00
den, 8/05
gum, 9/05
iah 737, 3/06
iah 756, 8/98
lax, 11/05
ewr 737, 4/06
ewr 756, 4/05
ord, 4/06

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cle, 10
gum, 20
iah 737, 196
iah 756, 112
ewr 737, 100
ewr 756, 151
DEN 8/05.........There are 129 757 CAPs in DEN. 1978-1990 hires. Most will get a displacement bid sometime after SLI when their aircraft gets parked. It will be like watching a kid in a candy store.

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Old 01-29-2013, 03:58 PM
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Originally Posted by routemap View Post
This is why I applied to Continental Airlines. As a 2005 I was projected to be at 50 percent on the seniority list in ten years. This was before any merger!
This is what we were all told in the interview and in indoc. And despite the stalls due to diverting 2000 jobs to expressjet, the 9/11 tragedy, and age 65, it has turned out to be true. It was a major reason for choosing Continental, as unpopular as that was at the time.

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Old 01-29-2013, 04:05 PM
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It will be like watching a kid in a candy store.
I am quite sure you don't represent UAL pilots. They, as CAL pilots, understand that the contractual rights of seniority along with the the unpredictability of the company's business plan often means pilots, along with their spouses and children, get wrenched from their current location or lifestyle into another. It's the nature or our business. But none that I know of are gleeful at someone else's misfortunes, which sooner or later may be our own.

It is quite remarkable that your MEC Chair fought against an SFO 737 base because of the "emotional distress" it would cause the pilots, yet here you are delighting in the what may be a far worse fate (no one would have been displaced from SFO) for DEN pilots. The dots don't connect on this one.
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Whe I was hired at United in 2000 I was flying with 737 Captains that upgraded in under 3 years, we were told the same thing.
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Old 01-29-2013, 04:21 PM
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I am quite sure you don't represent UAL pilots. They, as CAL pilots, understand that the contractual rights of seniority along with the the unpredictability of the company's business plan often means pilots, along with their spouses and children, get wrenched from their current location or lifestyle into another. It's the nature or our business. But none that I know of are gleeful at someone else's misfortunes, which sooner or later may be our own.

It is quite remarkable that your MEC Chair fought against an SFO 737 base because of the "emotional distress" it would cause the pilots, yet here you are delighting in the what may be a far worse fate (no one would have been displaced from SFO) for DEN pilots. The dots don't connect on this one.
When 17 years gets you bottom reserve right seat in DEN, it is tuff to see an 8/05 hire get a Cap seat, even if it is only a snapshot bid. The delay in the SLI (DAL/NWA had one in about 6 mo) is creating some inequities that WILL be rectified in the future. Nature of the business, like you said. Establishing an SFO 737 base would have just added salt to the wound. UCH is pushing it already.

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Old 01-29-2013, 04:35 PM
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I am sure many former Pan Am pilots felt the same way.
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Old 01-29-2013, 04:38 PM
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I am sure many former Pan Am pilots felt the same way.
OK. It's cool to be smug. Let's just wait and see how it pans out brother.



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Old 01-29-2013, 05:11 PM
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When 17 years gets you bottom reserve right seat in DEN, it is tuff to see an 8/05 hire get a Cap seat, even if it is only a snapshot bid. The delay in the SLI (DAL/NWA had one in about 6 mo) is creating some inequities that WILL be rectified in the future. Nature of the business, like you said. Establishing an SFO 737 base would have just added salt to the wound. UCH is pushing it already.

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Inequities? How so? I went to work for Continental. I knew we had many retirements and airplanes on order. This is why we have career expectations as part of the ALPA merger policy?
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Inequities? How so? I went to work for Continental. I knew we had many retirements and airplanes on order. This is why we have career expectations as part of the ALPA merger policy?
Ditto for sUAL.

Prior to the merger, sUAL had more firm order A320s scheduled for delivery in 2013/2014 than sCAL had aircraft ordered for delivery during the period (737s and 787s). The deposits were paid and the sUAL orders are still on Airbus' official order page, so yes, let's play the game about expectations, retirements, and firm aircraft orders as I'm sure you would receive plenty of support from sUAL pilots.
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