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Old 01-30-2013 | 08:28 AM
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Originally Posted by Lerxst
Your "stacking" WB order was firmed up 3 months before the merger and are not being delivered anytime near your predicted timeframe. Everything else you mentioned happened after the merger, not prior as you originally stated.
Now you are putting words in my mouth. I never said the wide bodies were scheduled for delivery in 2013/2014.
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Everything else you mentioned happened after the merger, not prior as you originally stated.
Huh? Here's what I originally stated: "There's also been lots of activity post-merger...."
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Old 01-30-2013 | 08:29 AM
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Originally Posted by cal73
Shrek,
Typically 60% is north of the g line. Bases like ord and den have seen very senior g lines though. You could check the bes awards in pbs and see what that seniority is getting but the answer can be muttled by folks bidding down to reserve and folks who are below the gline getting a line. It will give you a rough idea though. Best way is to ask someone who is currently in the Bes. Generally 85% or better is enough to get you above the g line and off reserve.
I had heard that you guys run reserve coverage in the 14% range. Is that correct?
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Old 01-30-2013 | 08:38 AM
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Originally Posted by cadetdrivr
Now you are putting words in my mouth. I never said the wide bodies were scheduled for delivery in 2013/2014.
You responded with a deflection onto with WB post merger career expectation stance without acknowledging the error in your "Prior to the merger, sUAL had more firm order A320s scheduled for delivery in 2013/2014 than sCAL had aircraft ordered for delivery during the period (737s and 787s)" premise after it was pointed out to you.
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Old 01-30-2013 | 08:46 AM
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Originally Posted by SpecialTracking
I had heard that you guys run reserve coverage in the 14% range. Is that correct?
That's a little low, probably, for an established base... But not by much. Switching from Preconstructed lines to PBS increased line holders and reduced reserves by about 10%. Before PBS hard line awards went down to about 75-77% in base, whereas now you can be in the high 80% range and get one. UAL staffs for blizzards in DEN and ORD with earthquakes out West and nor'easter back East, everyday. CAL staffs for CAVU from here to the moon and seem genuinely surprised when IAH gets thunderstorms in August or EWR gets snow in Dec.
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Old 01-30-2013 | 08:48 AM
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Originally Posted by SpecialTracking
So if you didn't have IROs, then the majority of you would be Capts correct?
No, it would be 50/50. Why would there be more?

Actually, some captain positions are double bid: training and management captain, but that's not a huge number.
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Old 01-30-2013 | 09:19 AM
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Old 01-30-2013 | 09:21 AM
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Originally Posted by cal73
Shrek,
Typically 60% is north of the g line. Bases like ord and den have seen very senior g lines though. You could check the bes awards in pbs and see what that seniority is getting but the answer can be muttled by folks bidding down to reserve and folks who are below the gline getting a line. It will give you a rough idea though. Best way is to ask someone who is currently in the Bes. Generally 85% or better is enough to get you above the g line and off reserve.
Thanks brother !!
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Old 01-30-2013 | 10:06 AM
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Originally Posted by Lerxst
That's a little low, probably, for an established base... But not by much. Switching from Preconstructed lines to PBS increased line holders and reduced reserves by about 10%. Before PBS hard line awards went down to about 75-77% in base, whereas now you can be in the high 80% range and get one. UAL staffs for blizzards in DEN and ORD with earthquakes out West and nor'easter back East, everyday. CAL staffs for CAVU from here to the moon and seem genuinely surprised when IAH gets thunderstorms in August or EWR gets snow in Dec.
Do you think CAL plans on force jrm to cover the schedule?
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Old 01-30-2013 | 10:11 AM
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VJM (voluntary) has been very successful for the company, with the new pay it will be even more so. It could always get to involuntary JM, but you only work if you want to. You don't have to be available.
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Old 01-30-2013 | 10:34 AM
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Originally Posted by luv757
August 2013. In a nutshell if you don't have a training/advance date (if you change seats/planes/base) by the SLI whatever you were awarded is cancelled and you revert to your previous position for the new joint vacancy bidding.
Simply being assigned a training date is not sufficient to hold onto a bid.....at least, according to the T&PA.

c. Pilots who, at the time of implementation of an integrated seniority list, are
in the process of completing or who have completed qualification training
for a new position (e.g., B-777 Captain or A-319 First Officer) may be
assigned to the position for which they are being or have been trained,
regardless of their relative standing on the Integrated Seniority List.

>>>>>>>

Yet, in the Bid posting, it says:

As stated above, this System Bid differs from previous System Bids and is intended to
transition from separate sCAL and sUAL filling of staffing requirements. At the time of the
Seniority List Integration, pilots who have not been awarded a Training Assignment Bid
award resulting from this or previous System Bids will be considered to be in their
currently staffed position for purposes of bidding on future Vacancy and/or
Displacement bids. As an example, you are a IAH-777-FO today and are awarded on this
System Bid the position of IAH-737-CA. By mid July, TAB’s should have been awarded
through October. Should SLI occur in mid July and you have not been awarded a TAB award,
then your position for subsequent Vacancy and/or Displacement Awards would be IAH-777-
FO not IAH-737-CA. Further there would be no pay protection entitlements to positions
unfilled from previous System Bid awards. The expectation is that all United pilots would
compete for those vacancies for which training and advancement has not been scheduled,
based upon their new seniority.
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