There are more FOs at an airline than Capts because of the widebody fleets. So that's why there is another misleading stat about how junior the bottom CAL Capt is because UAL has so many more widebody aircraft, we have a ton more widebody FO positions. There are probably 600 more widebody FO's than Capts at UAL because of the 70+ 747s and 777s.

No way having a few extra management captains solves this.

Now when your fleet is mostly guppies, its going to be closer to 50/50.

 

Nope. I never agreed that my premise was incorrect.

I'm looking at the UCH fleet plan right now and even with the 737-500 retirements I'm not seeing enough new 737NGs coming online to make my premise incorrect, particularly after this August when the sUAL -900s begin showing up.

Can you please provide the documentation to sustain your claim? (I'll gladly retract mine with evidence.)

 

I did that in post #101. Exiting Bankruptcy until the 2010 firmed up order for A350's and 787's, UAL had 42 undelivered orders for single-aisle Airbii.


sUAL has an open order for 42 A320's. Below is a CAL order from 2007, there have been 2 or 3 more since then.


And then this one for the 900ER in 2008

SEATTLE, Jan. 14, 2008 -- Boeing [NYSE: BA] and Continental Airlines [NYSE:CAL] today celebrated the delivery of the airline's first Next-Generation 737-900ER (Extended Range) airplane. With this delivery, Continental becomes the first airline in the Americas to operate the 737-900ER, a higher-capacity, longer-range derivative and newest member of the Next-Generation 737 airplane family.

Continental was the first airline in the Americas to order the 737-900ER and currently has 26 more on order. Continental this year expects to take delivery of an average of two-to-three new Next-Generation 737s per month, which includes a mix of 737-900ERs and 737-800s. The airplanes are part of Continental's comprehensive fleet strategy, which focuses on improving operational efficiency and customer comfort.

 

CUSTOMER COMFORT???? That's hilarious! The worst, narrowest seats in the industry.....for a transcon! And believe me, I hated the guppy when we flew it too, this isn't aimed at the sCAL bros. Just El Hefe and the rest of the nimrods.

 

Perhaps we are talking past each other? Where is the breakdown for 2013/2014?

 

Same fuselage as the 757. Same seat width, pitch, etc.
actually, coach on a wide body has the same coach seat as a 737. Coach is coach.

 

That used to be normal. Before we had IROs at Delta, our manning formula required more CAs than F/Os, because CAs usually had more years of service (giving them additional weeks of vacation), and were older (averaging greater use of sick leave).

 

OK. 757 seats suck equally. That better?

Try the bus seat sometime if you want to feel the difference. Unfortunately, the BEST narrow gauge coach seat out there is on the EMB 170-190.

Back when UAL was a decent airline that still cared about their pax, we used 767-200's in the LAX-NYC and SFO-NYC markets. Much 'mo betta' and passengers actually booked on UAL because of it. Imagine that today.

I stand by my point, a transcon in a 37 (or 57) is pretty much misery in coach. Ditto for Hawaii and European flying.

 

And if you were running the airline, I'm sure we'd all fly 747's domestically out of every hub cause that's what the paxs like. Gotta call BS on this. You had no more idea about what the paxs wanted than mgmt did. It is what it is. I think I've heard that mentioned somewhere in a post or two here. If the french biaotch could make it farther than DEN or ABQ, we might very well see it doing trans-cons.

 

??? Check the schedule dude. Fifi does transcons all day all year. I have never once stopped for gas.

Calling BS on what exactly? I heard it from the marketing managerial honcho during his schpiel to the new hires. They kept the 200s for the trascon market primarily because the pax loved it. It sucked gas and had lousy & expensive brakes. But, it flew full so they kept it. When a route sells out well in advance (but the 757's and busses on either side of it didn't) it didn't take Stephen Hawking to figure it out. Remember travel agents? They used to fill it up. It was what it was. I guess you know nothing about our sleeper 757's either?