You are correct, Staller! I am flying with one right now that was installing sprinklers during his furlough. Great guy BTW. Obviously not afraid to get his hands dirty and probably understands that he would never have gone back if not for the merger. He even moved to Houston and bought a house not far from Jay Pierce.

Happy Grumpy Old Man Day, Staller!

 

Simple if you had looked or asked. All resignations to get a job would not be honored. Their options are still there - don't make stuff up.

 

Checkmate.

 

If that's the best you can do son, Thank You!

 

To bad this is not about individual cases. This is high level look, there will be people on each side that there unique situation does not make sense, but fits the bigger picture.

 

Know of at least one LUAL pilot hired in '05 gave up LUAL number, to date, looks like it was a good move.

So the LUAL list treats the furloughed pilots as active pilots, but in reality we don't know when and if so some of these pilots will ever return. Many have decided LCAL makes a lot more sense right now.

 

Yup. But don't confuse their motivations.

They are working under the same contract for the same employer (UCH) with a TPA that states that their acceptance (or dismissal) of the CAL job specifically means nothing for SLI. Why spend time in the schoolhouse if they are gonna end up where they end up regardless?

 

It is obvious that you know nothing about the pilots at L-CAL. The only thing you are capable of is throwing stones. Be careful of your glass house.

 

......and I know a few guys who ditched CAL (both 2005 hires) to return to UAL. Who cares?

 

One reason and one reason only.. but it's HUGE.

Any LUAL Pilot who is currently flying under the LCAL side of the house has a huge advantage once the SLI is done. They are on line, in base on a piece of equipment that someone "senior" to them from the LUAL list may want.

case in point-
There is a friend of mine who is a late 99 LUAL Hire. He is currently a line holding 756 FO in EWR. He has not been recalled to LUAL (yet).
What happens once we have an ISL? There are going to be pilots who were and are senior to him on his (old) LUAL list.. but have not yet been recalled.
Aren't recalls based on vacancies? What happens when pilots get recalled to a position that isn't what they want or could/should be able to hold? And there are pilots junior to them sitting in a BES they want?!

Also, how long will it take to recall and get every trained? That is, everyone who wants to come back.

Once we have an ISL, we will open up the next new can of worms.

While it's been stated that those LUAL Pilots who accepted (or refused) a position on the LCAL list will have no bearing in the SLI, there's going to be no mistake that those who accepted a position will actually end up in a better position than those who refused... and maybe even some who were never furloughed!

What happens next Spring when we have a list.. and you have 10 EWR (NYC) 756 FO Vacancies? Do all active pilots get to bid that or do 10 returning Furloughs get to bid that?!
Remember, they have stated "no flush bid"..
It'll be sometime 2014 and probably 2015 before this all sorts itself out.

Gonna be fun to watch~
Motch