New SLI:
A set of N employees or workgroup, denoted UA = {u1, u2, . . . , uN }. ui can be thought of employee i’s name.
For each employee, ui, his or her longevity (i.e., years of service) with the firm, denoted yi.
An ordering, or seniority ranking of the employees names, denoted as a set of integer-name pairs of length N, SA = {(1,ui),...,(N,uj)}. Denote sAi as the seniority rank of worker ui, with sAi = 1 representing the most senior worker and sAi = N representing the most junior member.
For any set of real numbers X = {x1, . . . , xN }, we define Γ(xi|X) to be xi’s rank among 6 the elements of X in descending order (i.e., Γ(xi|X) = 1 for max{x1,...,xN} and Γ(xi|X) = N for min{x1, . . . , xN }).
Likewise, we define ψ(xi|X) to be xi’s rank among the elements of X in ascending order (i.e., ψ(xi|X) = 1 for min{x1, . . . , xN } and ψ(xi|X) = N for max{x1, . . . , xN }).
Definition 1 Consider firm A with a workgroup of N employees. A seniority list SA is said to be date-of-hire if sAi = Γ(yi|Y ),∀i = 1,2,...,N.
Thus, a “date-of-hire” seniority list simply ranks a members of a workgroup by their longevity, the most senior employee (i.e., seniority rank #1) being the one with the longest service to the firm.12 By construction, a resulting property of a date-of-hire seniority list is that sAi < sAj ⇐⇒ yi > yj , ∀i, j.
http://www.econ.umn.edu/~singe119/pa...ntegration.pdf

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What??? He won't have ANY choices. His or her seniority will be DECIDED by the arbitrators. Meaning, if the dash LAST pilot on the UAL list was the first pilot hired back at CAL he isn't going to somehow jump ahead of pilots who were ahead of him on the UAL Seniority List.

The SLI puts ONLY pilots on the UAL and CAL seniority lists together FIRST, then will put constructive notice pilots (Those hired after 2010) on the bottom of the new list. Any pilot on furlough whether they came back or not can NOT change positions with other pilots on the list. That is a violation of ALPA Merger Policy.

Not like the CAL proposed list where pilots at UAL were stapled BELOW themselves on the list, appearing twice, and making CAL pilots feel like they have more pilots being put below them, when all that was happening is the same pilots name being twice on the seniority list.

Immediately upon SLI there is no CAL anymore. Its ONE LIST and those pilots already back flying at UAL are RECALLED instantaneously and their new position relative to CAL pilots could certainly change.

 

WHAT?!?!?!?

FWIW, the concept of a "choice" is specifically prohibited by both the TPA and ALPA merger policy.

TPA - All furloughed UA pilots will only be integrated based upon their position on the pre-merger UA list. Not only was this a topic in the hearings but both sides stipulated that this is the case since it's black-and-white in the TPA.

Merger Policy - The pre-merger lists can not be re-ordered, which is what would happen if a junior UA pilot working at sCAL is placed above a more senior furloughed UA pilot that did not take the CAL job offer.

 

JC, both of you will get a heart attack , how many smiley faces I have to insert to suggest sarcasm. Relax, you won't make it to your 60s.

 

You guys shouldn't wait too long. The l-UAL furloughees have YEARS to decide when they will come back. I think it will be years to bring all 1000 back if they come at all.

Eric
LUal furloughee currently at LCAL

 

Sweet. Thanks for the info Eric.

 

Insert sound of crickets here!

 

Medic I'm still here, currently in a comfortable back float . Saw someone claim info from an authoritative source that says presently 49 of us swim in the pool. That's about a month worth if they were to have off-the-street classes of 12/wk. If that's the case, I'd imagine they'll start filling more into the pool just as soon as SLI is final if not sooner. Float-on!

 

I am still treading water. I am happy to float for another couple weeks while I save some money up. See y'all in the fall hopefully. Anyone know if we will do any training out in Denver or is it all in Houston (assuming 737 a/c for new hires).

 

I am floating here too......just waiting for any info. Granted I told them my availability wasn't until Oct.....little did I realize my terminal leave took me to the beginning of Sept. Going to use the time to de-militarize......I like the sound of that . Hope all other poolies are enjoying the summer!