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07-19-2013, 08:29 AM
#61
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New SLI:
A set of N employees or workgroup, denoted UA = {u1, u2, . . . , uN }. ui can be thought of employee i’s name.
For each employee, ui, his or her longevity (i.e., years of service) with the firm, denoted yi.
An ordering, or seniority ranking of the employees names, denoted as a set of integer-name pairs of length N, SA = {(1,ui),...,(N,uj)}. Denote sAi as the seniority rank of worker ui, with sAi = 1 representing the most senior worker and sAi = N representing the most junior member.
For any set of real numbers X = {x1, . . . , xN }, we define Γ(xi|X) to be xi’s rank among 6 the elements of X in descending order (i.e., Γ(xi|X) = 1 for max{x1,...,xN} and Γ(xi|X) = N for min{x1, . . . , xN }).
Likewise, we define ψ(xi|X) to be xi’s rank among the elements of X in ascending order (i.e., ψ(xi|X) = 1 for min{x1, . . . , xN } and ψ(xi|X) = N for max{x1, . . . , xN }).
Definition 1 Consider firm A with a workgroup of N employees. A seniority list SA is said to be date-of-hire if sAi = Γ(yi|Y ),∀i = 1,2,...,N.
Thus, a “date-of-hire” seniority list simply ranks a members of a workgroup by their longevity, the most senior employee (i.e., seniority rank #1) being the one with the longest service to the firm.12 By construction, a resulting property of a date-of-hire seniority list is that sAi < sAj ⇐⇒ yi > yj , ∀i, j.
http://www.econ.umn.edu/~singe119/pa...ntegration.pdf
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A set of N employees or workgroup, denoted UA = {u1, u2, . . . , uN }. ui can be thought of employee i’s name.
For each employee, ui, his or her longevity (i.e., years of service) with the firm, denoted yi.
An ordering, or seniority ranking of the employees names, denoted as a set of integer-name pairs of length N, SA = {(1,ui),...,(N,uj)}. Denote sAi as the seniority rank of worker ui, with sAi = 1 representing the most senior worker and sAi = N representing the most junior member.
For any set of real numbers X = {x1, . . . , xN }, we define Γ(xi|X) to be xi’s rank among 6 the elements of X in descending order (i.e., Γ(xi|X) = 1 for max{x1,...,xN} and Γ(xi|X) = N for min{x1, . . . , xN }).
Likewise, we define ψ(xi|X) to be xi’s rank among the elements of X in ascending order (i.e., ψ(xi|X) = 1 for min{x1, . . . , xN } and ψ(xi|X) = N for max{x1, . . . , xN }).
Definition 1 Consider firm A with a workgroup of N employees. A seniority list SA is said to be date-of-hire if sAi = Γ(yi|Y ),∀i = 1,2,...,N.
Thus, a “date-of-hire” seniority list simply ranks a members of a workgroup by their longevity, the most senior employee (i.e., seniority rank #1) being the one with the longest service to the firm.12 By construction, a resulting property of a date-of-hire seniority list is that sAi < sAj ⇐⇒ yi > yj , ∀i, j.
http://www.econ.umn.edu/~singe119/pa...ntegration.pdf
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07-19-2013, 11:14 AM
#62
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Joined APC: Nov 2012
Position: Airbus
Posts: 1,040
Originally Posted by jetlink
The furloughed L-UAL pilot flying at L-CAL is a new hire not recalled pilot.
After SLI, he or she will have a choice of two seniority positions with the integrated company. Seniority as a L-UAL pilot or L-CAL pilot.
Who knows he or she might be better off with 1 year L-CAL position instead of 10 years L-UAL
After SLI, he or she will have a choice of two seniority positions with the integrated company. Seniority as a L-UAL pilot or L-CAL pilot.
Who knows he or she might be better off with 1 year L-CAL position instead of 10 years L-UAL
The SLI puts ONLY pilots on the UAL and CAL seniority lists together FIRST, then will put constructive notice pilots (Those hired after 2010) on the bottom of the new list. Any pilot on furlough whether they came back or not can NOT change positions with other pilots on the list. That is a violation of ALPA Merger Policy.
Not like the CAL proposed list where pilots at UAL were stapled BELOW themselves on the list, appearing twice, and making CAL pilots feel like they have more pilots being put below them, when all that was happening is the same pilots name being twice on the seniority list.
Immediately upon SLI there is no CAL anymore. Its ONE LIST and those pilots already back flying at UAL are RECALLED instantaneously and their new position relative to CAL pilots could certainly change.
07-19-2013, 12:20 PM
#63
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Oct 2010
Posts: 2,639
Originally Posted by jetlink
They will have a choice of places on the new SLI, as a L-UAL pilot or L-CAL pilot. If they choose to be integrated as a L-CAL they stay put. Who knows how arbitrators will integrate the list, it might be that the most junior pilot on furlough list be better off being a L-CAL pilot with new hire date of 2011.
FWIW, the concept of a "choice" is specifically prohibited by both the TPA and ALPA merger policy.
TPA - All furloughed UA pilots will only be integrated based upon their position on the pre-merger UA list. Not only was this a topic in the hearings but both sides stipulated that this is the case since it's black-and-white in the TPA.
Merger Policy - The pre-merger lists can not be re-ordered, which is what would happen if a junior UA pilot working at sCAL is placed above a more senior furloughed UA pilot that did not take the CAL job offer.
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07-20-2013, 01:39 PM
#65
Line Holder
Joined APC: Jan 2011
Position: B737 IAH
Posts: 46
You guys shouldn't wait too long. The l-UAL furloughees have YEARS to decide when they will come back. I think it will be years to bring all 1000 back if they come at all.
Eric
LUal furloughee currently at LCAL
Eric
LUal furloughee currently at LCAL
08-04-2013, 08:57 AM
#68
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Joined APC: Feb 2013
Posts: 43
Originally Posted by flightmedic01
Insert sound of crickets here!
08-04-2013, 10:09 AM
#69
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jun 2009
Position: A320 FO
Posts: 373
I am still treading water. I am happy to float for another couple weeks while I save some money up. See y'all in the fall hopefully. Anyone know if we will do any training out in Denver or is it all in Houston (assuming 737 a/c for new hires).
08-04-2013, 10:23 AM
#70
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Joined APC: Jun 2013
Position: 737 FO
Posts: 29
I am floating here too......just waiting for any info. Granted I told them my availability wasn't until Oct.....little did I realize my terminal leave took me to the beginning of Sept. Going to use the time to de-militarize......I like the sound of that . Hope all other poolies are enjoying the summer!
. Hope all other poolies are enjoying the summer!
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