LEC Election Pandering
09-17-2013 | 08:34 AM
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Please show me where it says that in your FOM. I downloaded the FOM and is specifically states the following:
10.20.3
Flight Deck Access
Jumpseat Authorization
MULTIPLE JUMPSEATERS
When there are multiple jumpseaters, the following guidelines are used to determine
the preferential priority (in order):
• Highest boarding priority in the Jumpseat Priority Table
• Use relative seniority for United Employees
• Use time of check in for Non United Employees
10.20.3
Flight Deck Access
Jumpseat Authorization
MULTIPLE JUMPSEATERS
When there are multiple jumpseaters, the following guidelines are used to determine
the preferential priority (in order):
• Highest boarding priority in the Jumpseat Priority Table
• Use relative seniority for United Employees
• Use time of check in for Non United Employees
Relative Seniority is that DOH seniority or Pilot list Seniority?
09-17-2013 | 08:42 AM
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09-17-2013 | 08:43 AM
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Part of the healing process is taking responsibility for your actions and the actions of those that represented you. Whether you condoned their actions or stood by hoping to benefit from their misguided deeds, you are responsible. Having said that, the UAL pilot group has been known as the Boy Scouts of the airline industry.(as characterized by the PanAm guy that got the first recorded MIG kill in Vietnam). You can go back to the Capital Merger and come forward to the CAL merger and tell/show me where the UAL pilots have dumped on ANY pilot group. Without question, the only group you'll find is the collective SCABS and that will not change.
09-17-2013 | 09:02 AM
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That wasn't credit they gave your MEC - It was a spirit of cooperation. I think JP's inferiority got the best of him and it did a lot of harm to the CAL pilots and spilled over to affect the UAL pilots requiring the UAL MEC to maneuver around and neutralize him. Why do you think they choose to exclude JP in SLI announcements and videos. Simple, JP was finally neutralized and out of the process.
09-17-2013 | 09:09 AM
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Is that something you made up because I looked in the FOM and couldn't find a reference in context and I'm pretty sure the UAL SLI proposal was chosen by the arbitrators.
09-17-2013 | 09:29 AM
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"Although we are all coming together as pilots of United Air Lines, the Continental pilots’ different history and culture provide a unique and valuable perspective. The views of over **** pilots from *** must be articulated to the new MEC in a clear and concise manner. We must work together with our L-UAL brother and sisters, while advocating for Continental pilots when necessary. We have all seen the L-UAL representatives advocate for their pilots throughout the entire merger process and I fear that will not end with the combining of the MEC. A strong, rational representative voice is what you deserve and I will provide that."
The point is - we don't need the US vs THEM attitude demonstrated in Tony's election pandering above.
The point is - we don't need the US vs THEM attitude demonstrated in Tony's election pandering above.
09-17-2013 | 10:19 AM
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I wasn't saying the arbs chose the CAL method I was simply comparing the two to help define the term. The definition of relative seniority is your seniority relative to your coworkers, your seniority number, not the date you were hired. Although prior to the ISL the DOH and seniority may have been the same, post isl it is not. My point was that the United FOM in fact states that relative seniority dictates the Jumpseat when there are two pilots in the same class. If it were to change to DOH, it would be United changing it and not CAL trying to force a change. That's all
09-17-2013 | 11:16 AM
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I'm with you, it looks like the same of faces. When you get somebody running on a campaign of US vs THEM it's a bad start for the whole process. We've had 3 years of this and the infighting got us no where and has/is costing us money. Anybody like Tony running on a platform to carve out a section for his group should be voted down. It'll be interesting to see how it turns out but the US vs THEM will do nothing but give us more of the last 3 years.
09-17-2013 | 11:27 AM
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I wasn't saying the arbs chose the CAL method I was simply comparing the two to help define the term. The definition of relative seniority is your seniority relative to your coworkers, your seniority number, not the date you were hired. Although prior to the ISL the DOH and seniority may have been the same, post isl it is not. My point was that the United FOM in fact states that relative seniority dictates the Jumpseat when there are two pilots in the same class. If it were to change to DOH, it would be United changing it and not CAL trying to force a change. That's all
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