LEC Election Pandering
09-17-2013 | 04:11 PM
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Also, there have been several pilots on this very forum that dump on the CAL pilots constantly as your pretty much doing yourself. You go ahead and believe what you want though if it helps you.
Boy Scouts, lol.
09-17-2013 | 04:17 PM
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From: EWR B737FO
Had somebody send me a campaign proffer from another domicile. Just wanted to get a feel for the attitude of the average line pilot and not the extremist like the author of the quoted text from the campaign proffer that follows.
"Although we are all coming together as pilots of United Air Lines, the Continental pilots’ different history and culture provide a unique and valuable perspective. The views of over **** pilots from *** must be articulated to the new MEC in a clear and concise manner. We must work together with our L-UAL brother and sisters, while advocating for Continental pilots when necessary. We have all seen the L-UAL representatives advocate for their pilots throughout the entire merger process and I fear that will not end with the combining of the MEC. A strong, rational representative voice is what you deserve and I will provide that."
"Although we are all coming together as pilots of United Air Lines, the Continental pilots’ different history and culture provide a unique and valuable perspective. The views of over **** pilots from *** must be articulated to the new MEC in a clear and concise manner. We must work together with our L-UAL brother and sisters, while advocating for Continental pilots when necessary. We have all seen the L-UAL representatives advocate for their pilots throughout the entire merger process and I fear that will not end with the combining of the MEC. A strong, rational representative voice is what you deserve and I will provide that."
is to ensure L-CAL bases reps stay L-CAL pilot...until/when we get rid of JH and leftovers. If he was the leader that wanted to bridge the two groups( given our scars) you wouldn't seek and petition the company to remove seniority for jumpseat purposes just days after the SLI was handed down. Something that will clearly advantage UA pilots and infuriated L-CAL pilots against the UA MEC.
09-17-2013 | 04:43 PM
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Ummm, I believe the Frontier pilots would disagree with you on that. Perhaps you remember where the terms "brain surgeons" came from?
Also, there have been several pilots on this very forum that dump on the CAL pilots constantly as your pretty much doing yourself. You go ahead and believe what you want though if it helps you.
Boy Scouts, lol.
Also, there have been several pilots on this very forum that dump on the CAL pilots constantly as your pretty much doing yourself. You go ahead and believe what you want though if it helps you.
Boy Scouts, lol.
09-17-2013 | 05:00 PM
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Shirley, you must be joking. I didn't realize that LCALs ISL proposal was relative seniority. I guess the Arbs must have imagined that it was actually proposed that over 2000 LUAL pilots plus ALL furloughees would be at the bottom.
09-17-2013 | 05:02 PM
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I don't think the UAL pilots were in a position to dump on the Frontier Pilots. Maybe you can be more specific. I'll ask why did the arbitrators chose the UAL sides method - because it was fair equally to both sides. Yes, Boy Scouts as demonstrated by the UAL SLI proposal being adopted by the arbitrators. It wasn't gamesmanship it was an honest effort to do the right thing.
A Boy Scout is trustworthy, loyal, helpful, friendly, courteous, kind, obedient, cheerful, thrifty, brave, clean, and reverent. I believe the UAL pilots would miss out on a few of those
, but to be fair so would the CAL guys.
09-17-2013 | 05:02 PM
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He is just echoing what CAL pilots know and believe given JH and boys attempted change of the jumpseat policy...it will not end when the MEC combined. I agree with him...and the only way for CAL pilots to have any shot of true representation going fwd in the near future
is to ensure L-CAL bases reps stay L-CAL pilot...until/when we get rid of JH and leftovers. If he was the leader that wanted to bridge the two groups( given our scars) you wouldn't seek and petition the company to remove seniority for jumpseat purposes just days after the SLI was handed down. Something that will clearly advantage UA pilots and infuriated L-CAL pilots against the UA MEC.
is to ensure L-CAL bases reps stay L-CAL pilot...until/when we get rid of JH and leftovers. If he was the leader that wanted to bridge the two groups( given our scars) you wouldn't seek and petition the company to remove seniority for jumpseat purposes just days after the SLI was handed down. Something that will clearly advantage UA pilots and infuriated L-CAL pilots against the UA MEC.
09-17-2013 | 05:06 PM
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He is just echoing what CAL pilots know and believe given JH and boys attempted change of the jumpseat policy...it will not end when the MEC combined. I agree with him...and the only way for CAL pilots to have any shot of true representation going fwd in the near future
is to ensure L-CAL bases reps stay L-CAL pilot...until/when we get rid of JH and leftovers. If he was the leader that wanted to bridge the two groups( given our scars) you wouldn't seek and petition the company to remove seniority for jumpseat purposes just days after the SLI was handed down. Something that will clearly advantage UA pilots and infuriated L-CAL pilots against the UA MEC.
is to ensure L-CAL bases reps stay L-CAL pilot...until/when we get rid of JH and leftovers. If he was the leader that wanted to bridge the two groups( given our scars) you wouldn't seek and petition the company to remove seniority for jumpseat purposes just days after the SLI was handed down. Something that will clearly advantage UA pilots and infuriated L-CAL pilots against the UA MEC.
Just on Jumpseat - if you looked at the DOH vs Pilot senority issue, the DOH probably benefits a majority of the CAL guys over the UAL guys. Look at it objectively, not selectively.
09-17-2013 | 05:19 PM
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Ha, the United pilots dumped ALL OVER the Frontier pilots during their failed merger. I would hear about it whenever I flew with Frontier guys. But you can keep your high and mighty attitude if you like.
A Boy Scout is trustworthy, loyal, helpful, friendly, courteous, kind, obedient, cheerful, thrifty, brave, clean, and reverent. I believe the UAL pilots would miss out on a few of those, but to be fair so would the CAL guys.
A Boy Scout is trustworthy, loyal, helpful, friendly, courteous, kind, obedient, cheerful, thrifty, brave, clean, and reverent. I believe the UAL pilots would miss out on a few of those
, but to be fair so would the CAL guys.
09-17-2013 | 05:31 PM
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I'll disregard most of you post as a vent but if you think a minority group with a selective agenda will be effective, you are wrong. The CAL guy you support is running against another CAL guy that has more interest in moving forward than wallowing in the failures of a self serving JP controlled MEC.
Just on Jumpseat - if you looked at the DOH vs Pilot senority issue, the DOH probably benefits a majority of the CAL guys over the UAL guys. Look at it objectively, not selectively.
Just on Jumpseat - if you looked at the DOH vs Pilot senority issue, the DOH probably benefits a majority of the CAL guys over the UAL guys. Look at it objectively, not selectively.
09-17-2013 | 05:41 PM
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Why do you assume this is a minority group... Truly was not a vent just educating you on the other side and a consistent sentiment ive heard especially in EWR. My way only...is not moving forward and will not build anything but continued friction....hence my comments about JH and his decision to petition the company. If you believe that DOH will help the CAL side, you've not looked at the numbers. The same seniority that gives you bidding rights/power in the cockpit ought to also give you access to the jumpseat. it has been used before so why change now. Do you really think the company came to JH and said let's change the jumpseat policy. Look at it objectively
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