Originally Posted by Really

I guess I don't speak plain enough! I thought the UAL proposal was FAIR!! Both before and after the SLI I thought UAL formula was going to be the way the list would be constructed!! Made more sense and had more logic!! Thats not really my point, just having a little debate with john about how the "mighty" UAL MEC will change things!! He still hasn't answered (surprise) how HE is going to hold NEW MEC accountable? He has had said how bad CAL MEC was and now we'll all win! I'm just asking how? I feel the reason is many guys don't like JP, particularly john! Yet, he was highly effective with profit sharing, bids, MOU's, and many of CAL's concern! That's what I truly think got under johns skin! There could be a thread on airplane color and john/staller/carol would turn it into JP conspiracy and that he must own the paint company!! As far as the SLI are you sure all of CAL's proposal was all tossed out? I think it was built using UALs formula but changed up, see Longeveity from 50% to 35% using some of CAL's argument. It's over I'm glad you think it's fair since I think this will be a strong airline with both groups!! Does it REALLY matter now who WON?

Originally Posted by JohnHale

If you spent all this time on the communication committee then you should have a better handle on how it works. Wait you're a CAL type and use to your leaders telling you how it's going to be. JP was only effective of driving a wedge between the 2 pilots groups. If you were on the Comm committee, why didn't you help him out and tell him he was wrong? You are right about one thing, I'd doesn't matter who WON it matters who LOST. Something you and you boy JP will always remember.

Originally Posted by socalflyboy

And yet another snide ass remark from Johnny boy..unity? Yeah, you keep preaching that.

Originally Posted by Really

I guess I don't speak plain enough! I thought the UAL proposal was FAIR!! Both before and after the SLI I thought UAL formula was going to be the way the list would be constructed!! Made more sense and had more logic!! Thats not really my point, just having a little debate with john about how the "mighty" UAL MEC will change things!! He still hasn't answered (surprise) how HE is going to hold NEW MEC accountable? He has had said how bad CAL MEC was and now we'll all win! I'm just asking how? I feel the reason is many guys don't like JP, particularly john! Yet, he was highly effective with profit sharing, bids, MOU's, and many of CAL's concern! That's what I truly think got under johns skin! There could be a thread on airplane color and john/staller/carol would turn it into JP conspiracy and that he must own the paint company!! As far as the SLI are you sure all of CAL's proposal was all tossed out? I think it was built using UALs formula but changed up, see Longeveity from 50% to 35% using some of CAL's argument. It's over I'm glad you think it's fair since I think this will be a strong airline with both groups!! Does it REALLY matter now who WON?

Originally Posted by jsled

I agree. Time to band together. I was not arguing win/loss. I was only commenting on the "hardball" comment you attribute to our furloughees.

Sled

Originally Posted by socalflyboy

Oh, your furloughs with 2600+ days on furlough who were paced above some with 0 days on furlough? Time to band together? You mean after all your PRETENTIOUS bump statements? You really crack me up....you, j.hale, and a coupe others just love to throw the monkey poop...then say, " hey, we need to band together"....gmafb

Originally Posted by socalflyboy

Oh, your furloughs with 2600+ days on furlough who were paced above some with 0 days on furlough? Time to band together? You mean after all your PRETENTIOUS bump statements? You really crack me up....you, j.hale, and a coupe others just love to throw the monkey poop...then say, " hey, we need to band together"....gmafb

Originally Posted by socalflyboy

Oh, your furloughs with 2600+ days on furlough who were paced above some with 0 days on furlough? Time to band together? You mean after all your PRETENTIOUS bump statements? You really crack me up....you, j.hale, and a coupe others just love to throw the monkey poop...then say, " hey, we need to band together"....gmafb

Originally Posted by Horhay

With more ACTIVE time in a United cockpit than ANY CAL-guy I was "assimilated" with...I, for one, must take exception. Be careful who you choose to frag, albeit by association. I don't know the context of the "remarks" you're taking issue with...that being said; we've paid our dues

The sandwich is what it is...we have no choice but to deal with it; best get over it.

Frats,
Horhay