Originally Posted by LeeMat

Originally Posted by SpecialTracking

The difference is for the last three years that was your list. Now it is our list.

Originally Posted by Really

So who is OUR in your statement? And please answer the question. What specifically is the NEW sheriff going to do? I hope it's not the same sheriff that let the crooks steal their wallets (pension) or steal their car(scope)!

Originally Posted by Kilder

Well compared to the forward thinking company you came from, that kept 747 that everyone else was parking and 757 with old technology and most uncapable of ETOPS and buying A320's that can't do what the 737 can do and not investing in new technology and buying new and more efficient aircraft...yes I would say we are in a more forward thinking company...oh and let's not forget the forward thinking of your company which sacrified your pension and ruined the career of thousand plus pilots...yea forward thinking.

Originally Posted by CousinEddie

Forward thinking---buying those shiny new jets you are so proud of. It is working so well, isn't it? Who is having their head handed to them by the competition? You know, the one that truly is forward thinking and doesn't get caught up in Shiny Jet Syndrome like a 22 year old RJ new hire?

United Snaps Up New Planes, Delta Makes Do With Old - Businessweek

Originally Posted by Kilder

It's cheaper for the company to have an overstaffed base rather than to bump CA's out of a seat, especially with expected retirements and growth.

The crappy UAL aircraft will be phased out slowly and allow for retirements and growth to minimize the effect of the demise of the old and decrepit planes UAL brought to the merger.

Reserve CA has actually been pretty good, pay and quality of life is pretty good. I and many of my contemporaries would not care if we sit reserve, it might be better than having a line in some cases.

The next option for us, if we were to get bumped, is to bid 787 FO where they're making as much as 737 CA with more days off due to the understaffed situation on that aircraft, I believe the fence will even make it harder on the company since you will have to find CAL pilots willing to commute or move to the liberal, high taxed communist state of California....

Originally Posted by vspeed

That scenario although not completely without plausibility is HIGHLY unlikely. For one, the company doesn't do drawdowns quickly, maybe in a 'right sizing' scenario it's plausible and those furloughed would most likely agree it happens that quickly, but the reality is the company is a whole now looking to reduce deficits and keep bleedout to the minimum. They will mitigate a parking of a fleet slowly and match it to the attrition levels based on demographics and retirements as well as vacancy movement. You will possibly see some displacements but they will not open the floodgates. To do so would be a training center, cost detrimental nightmare. The vacancy's and any displacements will be a slow trickle and not the damn bursting event you propose. See the last vacancy bid, that will be the scenario for years to come. It took well over 5-7 years to completely phase out the 737 300 and 500's and this management team doesn't do anything cost prohibitive to appease emotion. This is the company running the show now, not the union(s). There are no absolutes and the word 'expensive' with regard to pilot staffing is not in this managements vocabulary. Stagnation may happen for junior Captains but displacements will be far and few in between, the company has plenty of slop at the min/max staffing levels to absorb a very wide degree of movement without triggering a displacement bid, and that includes secondary vacancies and backfills..all the while keeping the vacancy bids, although monthly, to a slow cadence.

Originally Posted by Birddog

The more cynical of us former S-UA pilots would put it in a different shorter context:

Flight Operations Manpower Management will stop at nothing to protect the former S-CAL pilots in Bids 14-02, 14-02A, and 14-02D, even if that includes over staffing traditional S-CAL bases, basing more of the replacement 737's at traditional S-CAL bases, slowing the removal of the 757's, etc.

I know it sounds paranoid, but after the last three years nothing surprises me. I agree with you though, there will be FEW, if any bumps/displacements going forward.

As a former S-CAL pilot I ask you, why all the secrecy with Bid 14-02D? I haven't heard a single S-CAL pilot discuss it in person or on any of the forums. Flight Ops hasn't said a word about it to the former S-UA pilots. It's like a mystery bid. So why the secrecy?

Dogg

Originally Posted by JohnHale

The gentleman asked a question about bid 14-02D. Does anyone know what it is?

When the new MEC takes office, this kind of stuff will stop. If any wrong doing has been done by the company, the new MEC will correct it for the benifit of all.

Originally Posted by socalflyboy

What is this "new" mec you speak of?
It's just gonna be good ol boys club 2.0.
Just because its one group now, the shenanigans will continue.