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#211
They were hired in 1998, before those pilots they are now senior to. Sorry but that's how unions work. Most unions just use date of hire. Just think what would be the case if Brucia had pushed for longevity only instead of just one factor. He's the guy that added it. How come no one hired 2005 and beyond at CAL hasn't asked him what he was thinking when he lobbied so hard pre-merger?
#212
Oh...of course...what are we thinking...I mean all CA's awards going to LUAL pilots is not a windfall...of course...how silly to think that...UAL was growing and buying new airplanes and all this newly minted CA's were gonna be CA's without the merger...and unicorns like to ride down rainbows....
#213
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Just for reference, you should be happy that th UAL MEC adopted the new ALPA Merger Procedures. If they had gone straight up for a fight, the CAL MEC would have been decimated and your MC would have been left with his big brain in his hand, wondering what happened.
It's unfortunate that Ben and the Houson LEC continue to promote an unjustified CAL entitlement attitudes. Not to worry, Jeff still loves you.
#214
Brucia was part of a committee tasked to prevent another USair fiasco...to the delight of UAL peeps. But longevity was not to have any greater weight than the other items...but in the final award Longevity was weighted heavily including those that held no current seat...thus giving them super longevity since their career expectation was minimal compared to employed CAL junior pilots and they held no seat and position...thus negating two big CAL factors and accentuating the longevity factor to the benefit of UAL pilots.
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Brucia was part of a committee tasked to prevent another USair fiasco...to the delight of UAL peeps. But longevity was not to have any greater weight than the other items...but in the final award Longevity was weighted heavily including those that held no current seat...thus giving them super longevity since their career expectation was minimal compared to employed CAL junior pilots and they held no seat and position...thus negating two big CAL factors and accentuating the longevity factor to the benefit of UAL pilots.
And longevity didn't benefit "The UAL Pilots". It benefited pilots who had more longevity on both sides. CAL had hired a full 1/3rd of their seniority list in the 5 years prior to the merger.
Keep arguing the 0% longevity argument all you want. You did and it didn't work when it counted. No one reading this can change it. The hard-over attitude to staple the UAL furloughed pilots (but somehow not the furloughed CAL pilots who didn't bring a job to the merger either) will always be remembered by those pilots. Why don't you tell it to them in person next time you see them?
The SLI is done and in place forever, or until the next merger.
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They won't answer it, I will. All furloughed pilots (both sides) were stapeled on the Status and Category list. That was weighted 2/3rds of the award. Only a 35% adjustment for longevity.
No one had ever pointed out if UALPA got "everything they wanted" why didn't the arbitrators just give us our proposal? We didn't want a 5 year 787 fence or to have our longevity reduced by 1/3 of what we asked for.
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Oh...of course...what are we thinking...I mean all CA's awards going to LUAL pilots is not a windfall...of course...how silly to think that...UAL was growing and buying new airplanes and all this newly minted CA's were gonna be CA's without the merger...and unicorns like to ride down rainbows....
If you want to see more LCAL pilots upgrading then call them and ask them why they aren't volunteering to upgrade and be a reserve Guppy Captain in EWR.
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#219
Oh...of course...what are we thinking...I mean all CA's awards going to LUAL pilots is not a windfall...of course...how silly to think that...UAL was growing and buying new airplanes and all this newly minted CA's were gonna be CA's without the merger...and unicorns like to ride down rainbows....
This theme promoted by guys like yourself of some paradise being stolen from you is bizarre. Or comical, since it starts to remind me of Al Bundy's four touchdowns in one game high school glory talk.
I'm gonna sit back on the couch now, just like Al.
#220
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Maybe we LUAL should just let the LCAL guys whine. They lost and we all know it. If we leave them to work through to reality, it'll give them a little closure on their lose. By the way, the LCAL guys whining and posting are all very junior and not the mainstream.
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