Union Email pertaining to UPA extension
10-15-2015, 07:09 AM
#141
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Originally Posted by CLazarus
...Before I got hired, a UAL buddy of mine said "Southwest pilots live to stick it to the competition but UAL pilots live to stick it to their management (and vice versa)." I'm glad to be here but now I see what he meant.
I spent a lot of years at United and United isn't as bad as the press makes it out to be. However, it also is not the best. The people here are decent, they just aren't the best.
10-15-2015, 07:21 AM
#142
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Originally Posted by Old UCAL CA
Southwest and Delta seem to hire the "best" across all employee groups...solid professional maturity and clear positive energy.
IMHO, it's not the people, it's the leadership (or lack thereof.)
DAL is kicking a$$ in 2015 with the same employees they had when they were "meh" (financially and operationally). Ditto for CAL in the 90's until Bethune showed up.
UCH has the best route structure and a decent fleet plan but has been missing the element that gets line employees motived to excel.
10-15-2015, 07:36 AM
#143
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Originally Posted by cadetdrivr
FWIW, I never worked at SWA but I did spend a stint at DAL.
IMHO, it's not the people, it's the leadership (or lack thereof.)
DAL is kicking a$$ in 2015 with the same employees they had when they were "meh" (financially and operationally). Ditto for CAL in the 90's until Bethune showed up.
UCH has the best route structure and a decent fleet plan but has been missing the element that gets line employees motived to excel.
IMHO, it's not the people, it's the leadership (or lack thereof.)
DAL is kicking a$$ in 2015 with the same employees they had when they were "meh" (financially and operationally). Ditto for CAL in the 90's until Bethune showed up.
UCH has the best route structure and a decent fleet plan but has been missing the element that gets line employees motived to excel.
We have the route structure, resources and people to be number one....
10-15-2015, 07:39 AM
#144
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Originally Posted by Old UCAL CA
Southwest and Delta seem to hire the "best" across all employee groups...solid professional maturity and clear positive energy.
I spent a lot of years at United and United isn't as bad as the press makes it out to be. However, it also is not the best. The people here are decent, they just aren't the best.
I spent a lot of years at United and United isn't as bad as the press makes it out to be. However, it also is not the best. The people here are decent, they just aren't the best.
After spending many years at LUAL and a few years at the New United I take exception for all the fine people I've known and flown with. We've had some bad apples but they don't last once found out. RECENT evidence of this can be found with the departure of JP and shortly BS. If you didn't imply disrespect maybe you should revise your comment about the United employees not being the best, otherwise ............
10-15-2015, 09:02 AM
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Originally Posted by AllenAllert
...If you didn't imply disrespect maybe you should revise your comment about the United employees not being the best, otherwise ............
My much younger brother is a 30 year mileage customer out of San Francisco. He describes United as "decent mediocrity"..."excellent network"..."so-so interaction on normal days"..."bottom-of-the-barrel when things go wrong." He says the network keeps him.
Being on the north side of the flight deck door, many pilots miss a major portion of the business.
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