Union Email pertaining to UPA extension
10-10-2015, 01:19 PM
#71
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Just trying to think rationally here, but why would they want more regional lift in return for this 100 seat order? The regionals are having a hard enough time filling cockpits and United knows this. Delta is suing one of their regional partners for not fulfilling their contract and canceling flights due to lack of crews so I guess I am just confused why they would want a concession for more RJs. Just give those to us too or am I way off?
10-10-2015, 07:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Learjet driver
Then let them cancel it. The scope choke is working..... That is why they will want some sort of relief. If they want 100 seat jets, just order them. The contract already provides for that. Any concessions should be an automatic NO vote.
10-11-2015, 02:04 PM
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Originally Posted by gettinbumped
I'm fine with not getting a 100 seat aircraft. Couldn't care less. Any scope relief is a NO vote from me. I was merely replying to your quote that the company was going to order the 100 seater contract extension or not, which is EXACTLY what the DAL pilots said and they were wrong. I doubt that UCH will order the 100 seater without this extension, but like I said, that makes zero difference to me at all. Order it, don't order it. Fine with me!! But scope relief is NOT on the table
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10-11-2015, 03:35 PM
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Originally Posted by AxlF16
UAL needs the additional 76 seaters they gain (70 max I think) by purchasing the NSNB just to gain parity with Delta. Remember, Delta bought a bunch of narrowbodies following their last contract. Our scope 'one upped' Delta by requiring that the additional airframes be NSNB (thus filling a strategic gap for the company and removing the threat that we would negotiate after another carrier caved on >76 seat scope). NSNBs on the property will be a huge win for us. BUT, the company has that option without any deal here...and we shouldn't relieve ANY pressure related to scope. It's very unlikely I'd vote in favor of a resulting TA.... If they're willing to pay enough to get my attention, I suspect that they've got ulterior motives that I'm missing.
Color me jaded and skeptical.
Color me jaded and skeptical.
10-11-2015, 06:29 PM
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Originally Posted by flybynuts
Bumped,
Good post. Scope isn't on the table. Now mgmt may try and make a plea for it but most feel that scope isn't for sale. Many are just trying to see if Oscar has actually started some change.
Good post. Scope isn't on the table. Now mgmt may try and make a plea for it but most feel that scope isn't for sale. Many are just trying to see if Oscar has actually started some change.
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10-12-2015, 04:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Andy
Stop posting that garbage. Not going to happen. And there's enough lurking readers here who will do the bobblehead thing and start expecting your absurdly unrealistic target.
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10-12-2015, 06:22 PM
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Originally Posted by flybynuts
Bumped,
Good post. Scope isn't on the table. Now mgmt may try and make a plea for it but most feel that scope isn't for sale. Many are just trying to see if Oscar has actually started some change.
Good post. Scope isn't on the table. Now mgmt may try and make a plea for it but most feel that scope isn't for sale. Many are just trying to see if Oscar has actually started some change.
Got the call from New Hampshire for the survey and I don't think it could have been anymore clear that Scope relief is an absolute non-starter for me. They offer you a chance at the end of the survey to add a specific message and that was mine.
If you give so much as a mm on scope then I vote "no", regardless of what other miracles you manage in the other areas.
10-12-2015, 08:10 PM
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Originally Posted by GoCats67
Got the call from New Hampshire for the survey and I don't think it could have been anymore clear that Scope relief is an absolute non-starter for me. They offer you a chance at the end of the survey to add a specific message and that was mine.
If you give so much as a mm on scope then I vote "no", regardless of what other miracles you manage in the other areas.
If you give so much as a mm on scope then I vote "no", regardless of what other miracles you manage in the other areas.
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