Originally Posted by Old UCAL CA

...the only exceptions being those who had tread those waters before...such as a legacy CAL...but even CAL came very close...again.

Originally Posted by Old UCAL CA

Today's environment is very different, especially from a regulatory "experience" perspective and economics. It has become very clearly based upon current events forward, markets and competition. History has little current basis in comp negotiations.

Originally Posted by Sniper66

FYI now it's a TA




M2c
It will pass the MEC with
12-8 prediction

Originally Posted by jsled

Good gawd I hope you're right. That way WE decide...and I get my raise. WOOO HOOO. Bring on DA VOTE.

Originally Posted by Dave Fitzgerald

Uhh....not really. SFO 76T this month, 67% are on reserve due to the transition in flying. Guys there will be on reserve that haven't ever been on reserve under the current rules, haven't been there for decades.

In good times, yes. Good times won't last. New guys need to have a longer view...

Originally Posted by fanaticalflyer

Thank you Sunvox. Lot of naive people on here. You have one guy "DaveFitzgerald" that actually thinks if we say no, that we'll get full SEC 6 done in return, not in 4-6 years but in months!!!!! Some pilots just don't get it. We can't go back to the table if we say NO to this. We can't add any other topics to this. We can't go back and change reserve rules, and so on. We say NO and this goes now to just full SEC 6 negotiations that will take years. Your calculations are correct with no accrual of interest. You take that 90K worth of earnings and apply interest and then it's much more. You take that amount, and don't touch it and let earn over the course of 10 - 20 years and you are talking about a couple hundred thousand to over a million dollars. But some pilots are not going to get it. Some dinosaur types will still bang on the table and want full SEC 6 that will take 4-6 years with NO BACK PAY. Pilots always lose on SEC 6, even when they think they won. Pure stupidity to say NO on this. Of course I want to see all the details like anyone else, but with no SCOPE give backs and then the ME TOO DAL clause, this is solid. And for all these reserve guys complaining: it won't be long since you're upward mobility is super strong for the next 6 months to a year. That's counting an interest rate increase and other issues that might occur. And some of these reserves that are complaining, 'voluntarily' bid to higher paying wide body FO seats and some to hold CAP seats. Can't believe i'm hearing whining from these pilots that chased the money. I agree reserve rules are not where they need to be, but the company is going to drag out reserve rule implementation for the next year or two anyhow, so why not get the 16% pay raise now along with DAL ME TOO clause. Sure makes that pain a lot easier to tolerate. No one is going to force or use leverage to get management to negotiate quicker. Probably one of the most unintelligent comments echoed by the naive. Leverage, what a joke. This TA will pass, and we will be better because of it.

Originally Posted by Regularguy

This stuff goes on and on and on...

The only real issue here is this:

If we say NO to the AIP will it pay off in the future?

Is there a nice fat turkey in the bush and is this current bird in our collective hands only a dove with a quarter sized piece f meat?

Originally Posted by Sniper66

FYI now it's a TA. M2c It will pass the MEC with 12-8 prediction

Originally Posted by jsled

Good gawd I hope you're right. That way WE decide...and I get my raise. WOOO HOOO. Bring on DA VOTE.