Contract extension AIP bullet points
12-10-2015, 08:07 AM
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Originally Posted by Flytolive
C2000 was far superior to this contract in my opinion, and worth far more monetarily which is not a matter of opinion.
12-10-2015, 08:31 AM
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Originally Posted by b52dthdlr
C2000 had the old school reserve system, no loss of liscense, no senior manning pay.... should I go on? C2000 was all about the pay... no our current contract is far superior, ESPECIALLY with respect to reserve rules...
12-10-2015, 09:12 AM
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Originally Posted by b52dthdlr
...(I hated hard lines so I'm not missing the override, which was replaced by senior manning pay) and PBS rewards those who do not chase the $$$$ ... which brings us full circle as to why only you are responsible for your crummy quality of life...
12-11-2015, 09:37 AM
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Originally Posted by Flytolive
A defined benefit plan, vacation override, vacation drops, no PBS, pay rates far higher... I would go on, but the fact of the matter is that the cost of that contract was far higher per pilot than the current one. It is up to our pilot group through our reps and NC to prioritize how we want to spend that in contractual provisions.
10.5 % was the pilot cost at 2000
7.2 % is the cost today and with the AIP it will go to 7.8
1 Billion per year was the profit during 99-2000
and expected to be 4.3 B for 2015 and around 4.9B for 2016
The choice is yours to make when you see the TA
M2c says it will pass the membership ratification by 72%
It passed the MEC for sure otherwise why would they converting it from AIP to a TA language !!!
12-11-2015, 09:43 AM
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Originally Posted by Flytolive
C2000 was far superior to this contract in my opinion, and worth far more monetarily which is not a matter of opinion.
12-11-2015, 11:29 AM
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Originally Posted by Sniper66
10.5 % was the pilot cost at 2000
7.2 % is the cost today and with the AIP it will go to 7.8
1 Billion per year was the profit during 99-2000
and expected to be 4.3 B for 2015 and around 4.9B for 2016
7.2 % is the cost today and with the AIP it will go to 7.8
1 Billion per year was the profit during 99-2000
and expected to be 4.3 B for 2015 and around 4.9B for 2016
Year/Pilots/Rev/Profit
2000/10.5%/$1.0B
2015/07.2%/$4.3B
2016/07.6%/$4.9B (if AIP implemented)
Wow!
12-11-2015, 12:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Flytolive
Thanks Sniper
Year/Pilots/Rev/Profit
2000/10.5%/$1.0B
2015/07.2%/$4.3B
2016/07.6%/$4.9B (if AIP implemented)
Wow!
Year/Pilots/Rev/Profit
2000/10.5%/$1.0B
2015/07.2%/$4.3B
2016/07.6%/$4.9B (if AIP implemented)
Wow!
12-11-2015, 01:15 PM
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Originally Posted by svergin
Whatever that C2000 UAL contract ... didn't make sense, and isn't the baseline for anything except unrealistic expectations.
12-11-2015, 06:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Flytolive
Why didn't it make sense? What % of revenues is a 'realistic' expectation for pilot costs?
The market determines everything.
12-11-2015, 08:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Old UCAL CA
Your realistic "baseline" for pilot costs is inversely proportional to the number of applicants lined up at the front door...it has nothing to do with revenue, profitability or a historical contract.
The market determines everything.
The market determines everything.
The company did, however, need to overcome a litany of operational difficulties (many related to pilot motivation and moral) while simultaneously trying to get the politicians to approve a merger.
Seems like pilot leverage (internal supply) was the differentiation in that case and not external supply-and-demand.
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