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06-19-2022 | 10:37 AM
#91
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And no one has yet to answer my question, EB included.
Why do they want this? I see absolutely no reason we should vote for this for that alone.
What does this give them? Because it gives them something. They offered this up out of the goodness or their cold black hearts?
Explain to me how we “got them on this one” and I’ll vote yes. If the “offered” 477 then they are getting off cheap.
In my opinion, we (the IPA) always think we have the upper hand when something like this is negotiated, only to find out later we got screwed.
If someone can change my mind on that, I’ll vote yes, because I think there’s something else going on here for this “too good to be true” offer to be handed to us.
And before we get into all the hard works that went into it, I applaud them for that, I truly do. But they laughed their ass off as soon as our reps left the room, I could almost guarantee you of that.
carry on….
Why do they want this? I see absolutely no reason we should vote for this for that alone.
What does this give them? Because it gives them something. They offered this up out of the goodness or their cold black hearts?
Explain to me how we “got them on this one” and I’ll vote yes. If the “offered” 477 then they are getting off cheap.
In my opinion, we (the IPA) always think we have the upper hand when something like this is negotiated, only to find out later we got screwed.
If someone can change my mind on that, I’ll vote yes, because I think there’s something else going on here for this “too good to be true” offer to be handed to us.
And before we get into all the hard works that went into it, I applaud them for that, I truly do. But they laughed their ass off as soon as our reps left the room, I could almost guarantee you of that.
carry on….
Happy Fathers Day to all the Dads and single Moms out there. Keep holding it down.
06-19-2022 | 10:40 AM
#92
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Joined: Jul 2007
Posts: 994
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And no one has yet to answer my question, EB included.
Why do they want this? I see absolutely no reason we should vote for this for that alone.
What does this give them? Because it gives them something. They offered this up out of the goodness or their cold black hearts?
Explain to me how we “got them on this one” and I’ll vote yes. If the “offered” 477 then they are getting off cheap.
In my opinion, we (the IPA) always think we have the upper hand when something like this is negotiated, only to find out later we got screwed.
If someone can change my mind on that, I’ll vote yes, because I think there’s something else going on here for this “too good to be true” offer to be handed to us.
And before we get into all the hard works that went into it, I applaud them for that, I truly do. But they laughed their ass off as soon as our reps left the room, I could almost guarantee you of that.
That’s why I think we should start this sooner than later. All other things aside that reason alone is enough for me to vote No, because it gives them something..what that is I don’t know.
But I will bet that somewhere in ATL they want us to buy off on this, otherwise why even offer it? They could have told us to pack sand and we’ll see you in a couple years, but they didn’t. They blinked, and I don’t like it.
carry on….
Why do they want this? I see absolutely no reason we should vote for this for that alone.
What does this give them? Because it gives them something. They offered this up out of the goodness or their cold black hearts?
Explain to me how we “got them on this one” and I’ll vote yes. If the “offered” 477 then they are getting off cheap.
In my opinion, we (the IPA) always think we have the upper hand when something like this is negotiated, only to find out later we got screwed.
If someone can change my mind on that, I’ll vote yes, because I think there’s something else going on here for this “too good to be true” offer to be handed to us.
And before we get into all the hard works that went into it, I applaud them for that, I truly do. But they laughed their ass off as soon as our reps left the room, I could almost guarantee you of that.
That’s why I think we should start this sooner than later. All other things aside that reason alone is enough for me to vote No, because it gives them something..what that is I don’t know.
But I will bet that somewhere in ATL they want us to buy off on this, otherwise why even offer it? They could have told us to pack sand and we’ll see you in a couple years, but they didn’t. They blinked, and I don’t like it.
carry on….
Debating based on those questions is the same as debating a ghost. We don’t have any way of knowing the company’s motivations and therefore I’m not going to base my vote on some unproven hypothetical. Using that logic, we should vote no on every agreement we make with the company, because obviously any agreement benefits them somehow.
The problem you’re going to have convincing someone to vote no is the fact you were a hard and adamant no before you had any information. It was not well thought out and nothing was seriously considered. You and a few others were a no the second you saw the email.
06-19-2022 | 04:12 PM
#93
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Joined: May 2006
Posts: 1,050
Likes: 32
And no one has yet to answer my question, EB included.
Why do they want this? I see absolutely no reason we should vote for this for that alone.
What does this give them? Because it gives them something. They offered this up out of the goodness or their cold black hearts?
Explain to me how we “got them on this one” and I’ll vote yes. If the “offered” 477 then they are getting off cheap.
In my opinion, we (the IPA) always think we have the upper hand when something like this is negotiated, only to find out later we got screwed.
If someone can change my mind on that, I’ll vote yes, because I think there’s something else going on here for this “too good to be true” offer to be handed to us.
And before we get into all the hard works that went into it, I applaud them for that, I truly do. But they laughed their ass off as soon as our reps left the room, I could almost guarantee you of that.
That’s why I think we should start this sooner than later. All other things aside that reason alone is enough for me to vote No, because it gives them something..what that is I don’t know.
But I will bet that somewhere in ATL they want us to buy off on this, otherwise why even offer it? They could have told us to pack sand and we’ll see you in a couple years, but they didn’t. They blinked, and I don’t like it.
carry on….
Why do they want this? I see absolutely no reason we should vote for this for that alone.
What does this give them? Because it gives them something. They offered this up out of the goodness or their cold black hearts?
Explain to me how we “got them on this one” and I’ll vote yes. If the “offered” 477 then they are getting off cheap.
In my opinion, we (the IPA) always think we have the upper hand when something like this is negotiated, only to find out later we got screwed.
If someone can change my mind on that, I’ll vote yes, because I think there’s something else going on here for this “too good to be true” offer to be handed to us.
And before we get into all the hard works that went into it, I applaud them for that, I truly do. But they laughed their ass off as soon as our reps left the room, I could almost guarantee you of that.
That’s why I think we should start this sooner than later. All other things aside that reason alone is enough for me to vote No, because it gives them something..what that is I don’t know.
But I will bet that somewhere in ATL they want us to buy off on this, otherwise why even offer it? They could have told us to pack sand and we’ll see you in a couple years, but they didn’t. They blinked, and I don’t like it.
carry on….
Last edited by Precontact; 06-19-2022 at 04:48 PM.
06-20-2022 | 07:01 PM
#94
New Hire
Joined: Jun 2019
Posts: 6
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06-21-2022 | 08:52 PM
#96
Living the SloBus life
Joined: Jan 2018
Posts: 2,181
Likes: 92
Like most IPA guys I’m disappointed with the numbers in the extension and would prefer to expedite negotiations on an all new contract. However, we elected the EB to do a job. They have done the job and provided feedback on why they did what they did. If you think they are full of crap, vote no and start looking for an alternative slate of EB candidates. If you think they did their job, follow through on your vote for them and vote yes. We can debate the merits of the TA, but it really boils down to whether the EB is doing its job or not.
06-22-2022 | 05:24 AM
#97
On Reserve
Joined: Apr 2017
Posts: 113
Likes: 4
Like most IPA guys I’m disappointed with the numbers in the extension and would prefer to expedite negotiations on an all new contract. However, we elected the EB to do a job. They have done the job and provided feedback on why they did what they did. If you think they are full of crap, vote no and start looking for an alternative slate of EB candidates. If you think they did their job, follow through on your vote for them and vote yes. We can debate the merits of the TA, but it really boils down to whether the EB is doing its job or not.
06-24-2022 | 03:09 AM
#98
Social Media retired.
Joined: May 2018
Posts: 1,015
Likes: 47
And no one has yet to answer my question, EB included.
Why do they want this? I see absolutely no reason we should vote for this for that alone.
What does this give them? Because it gives them something. They offered this up out of the goodness or their cold black hearts?
Explain to me how we “got them on this one” and I’ll vote yes. If the “offered” 477 then they are getting off cheap.
In my opinion, we (the IPA) always think we have the upper hand when something like this is negotiated, only to find out later we got screwed.
If someone can change my mind on that, I’ll vote yes, because I think there’s something else going on here for this “too good to be true” offer to be handed to us.
And before we get into all the hard works that went into it, I applaud them for that, I truly do. But they laughed their ass off as soon as our reps left the room, I could almost guarantee you of that.
That’s why I think we should start this sooner than later. All other things aside that reason alone is enough for me to vote No, because it gives them something..what that is I don’t know.
But I will bet that somewhere in ATL they want us to buy off on this, otherwise why even offer it? They could have told us to pack sand and we’ll see you in a couple years, but they didn’t. They blinked, and I don’t like it.
carry on….
Why do they want this? I see absolutely no reason we should vote for this for that alone.
What does this give them? Because it gives them something. They offered this up out of the goodness or their cold black hearts?
Explain to me how we “got them on this one” and I’ll vote yes. If the “offered” 477 then they are getting off cheap.
In my opinion, we (the IPA) always think we have the upper hand when something like this is negotiated, only to find out later we got screwed.
If someone can change my mind on that, I’ll vote yes, because I think there’s something else going on here for this “too good to be true” offer to be handed to us.
And before we get into all the hard works that went into it, I applaud them for that, I truly do. But they laughed their ass off as soon as our reps left the room, I could almost guarantee you of that.
That’s why I think we should start this sooner than later. All other things aside that reason alone is enough for me to vote No, because it gives them something..what that is I don’t know.
But I will bet that somewhere in ATL they want us to buy off on this, otherwise why even offer it? They could have told us to pack sand and we’ll see you in a couple years, but they didn’t. They blinked, and I don’t like it.
carry on….
06-24-2022 | 04:13 AM
#99
Gets Weekends Off
Joined: Mar 2005
Posts: 2,702
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From: 767 captain
For one, I'd rather be paid now than paid later. For those retiring outside of the flat dollar demographic there is no "later", and if insurance rates go up?
I'm still waiting for the "we'll get that later" items from the mid term agreement.
I'm still waiting for the "we'll get that later" items from the mid term agreement.
Last edited by 767pilot; 06-24-2022 at 04:28 AM.
06-24-2022 | 06:41 AM
#100
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Joined: Oct 2019
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Medical insurance premiums cannot go up when contract becomes amendable. It was just a feel good item by our Union as it is protected regardless.
