fightandflight

You obviously feel strongly about this, and I’m not going to sit here and say you are wrong. I feel as if the union is making every effort to address questions and concerns through the town halls and videos. So my question (to the group) after reading your opinion and many like this is: what exactly are you hoping for? There are 2 sides to a negotiation and our side has come to us with this. The angry memberships distaste for the EB is apparent, so we vote no and then…these same people they despise, who were so clueless they didn’t see what a terrible deal this was, start negotiating our next contract? And then, when we don’t have an agreement by the time this TA would have expired do we talk about how incompetent they are, or do we say they were right? Or worse, we do have an agreement, but it’s “industry standard” to some of the existing contracts, so we talk about how incompetent the EB is for failing to negotiate what we wanted when they told us the timing wasn’t right?

I think there is an advantage to waiting, the teamsters negotiation is certainly part of that, but I also think waiting until the dust settles on some of these other pilot contracts could be a huge factor. Whether you want to admit it or not, our contract has been ahead of the pack in most areas, it’s tough to negotiate that we deserve to be even further ahead. Profits, inflation - the brain is always looking for some sort of number to latch on to, but I really think the only one that will matter for our pilot group is where FedEx is compared to us when the negotiations start. I think the combo of momentum from the other contracts and the completion of the teamsters contract will make the timing right…but I also think that if I could predict the future I wouldn’t be working at UPS.

“When the gushing torrential water tosses stones pushing boulders, it is because of the force of its momentum. When the ferocious strike of an eagle, breaks the body of its prey, it is because of the timing of the strike. Thus the forces and momentum of the adept in warfare are so overwhelming and ferocious and his timing of engagement is precise and swift.”
-Sun Tzu

UPSFO4LIFE

What should be more concerning is how many people I have come in contact here think PBS will improve our schedules.

Carry on….

flyguy23

That is truly terrifying…

C2078

I haven’t, in fact the opposite is my experience.

C2078

This!!! Let’s giddy up. However, even if this TA is turned down, I still have full confidence in my EB, the two can be mutually inclusive.

flyguy23

The EB is telling you there is no fight to be had for 2 years, yes or no. So either you believe them or you don’t. Pretty simple.

C2078

I don’t, doesn’t mean I don’t trust them to negotiate the next CBA. I am just one vote.

Celeste3205

Our EB didn't provide an interpretation of the UA TA, but they did supply context.

Never has the EB said "you MUST vote yes...", they haven't even implied that. They've only laid out the choice as they see it, you may decide as you see fit. To refer to them as our "leadership" is an undeserved insult. They are the leadership we have chosen, and we have done very well under their guidance. You claim there is fear of a confrontation, but it takes the other party to show up for there to be a confrontation. They've made a reasonable case that this wouldn't occur if there were no TA. Too many of our number seem to think we negotiate in a marketplace vacuum.

jetlaggy

There are so many givebacks in the UAL TA I don’t think its even worth comparing.

tnkrdrvr

I believe UALPA will have already voted their TA up or down before we have to cast our votes. That will be an interesting data point. Right now I would say our extension looks significantly better than their new contract “improvements.” Unfortunately, the only way they can really push the bar higher for us to leverage in our negotiations is to reject this TA. However, it could be a couple years before they nail down a good replacement.